Well, my worst fear is yet again proven correct. When I received few emails from AUCMS students that they were accepted en-bloc to CUCMS without the need to repeat any semester, I repeatedly asked them whether this has been approved by MMC. I also wrote in my earlier blog post on 12/10/2014 that CUCMS did get into trouble 3 years ago for taking in more students than what was allowed by MMC. They were derecognised temporarily till they transferred all the extra students to another university. I heard most of the MARA students were absorbed by Newcastle University in 2011. Subsequently, their recognition was extended from 12/2011 for 3 years only, which means it will expire this December 2014. Please read the MMC 2011/2012 report over HERE (Appendix IX)
2 days ago, while I was enjoying my Deepavali holidays with my parents, I read the news below in The Star. Yet again, MMC has issued warning to CUCMS not to take students beyond what they were allowed. I wonder what happened to UKM when they took in all the AUCMS UKM students. Did they also overshoot their quota? Whatever it is, UKM definitely have bigger facility and bigger number of academics. According to MMC, UKM is allowed 200 students per year intake as what was mentioned HERE.
Another news that was recently published in Berita Harian was rather sad. As I mentioned in my earlier post, 3 of the twinning universities withdrew their alliance with AUCMS early this year. Their first medical program was a twinning program with Universiti Sumatra Utara (USU) in 2004. Their first graduate , if I am not mistaken was in 2009. According to the news I received, students who graduated in 2013, who are already doing their housemanship, are in trouble with MMC registration as their degree from USU is being withheld due to non-payment of fees!! Please see the photo below. I wonder what happened to the CEO? I heard, he is in UK.
While I don’t support PERKASA, it will be interesting to read THIS information from their website.
I hope ,this will be my last post regarding this college.
AUCMS students in limbo again due to quota ruling
BY REBECCA GRACE RAJAENDRAM
CYBERJAYA: Parents of students affected by the Allianze University College of Medical Sciences (AUCMS) financial crisis are appealing to the relevant authorities to relax the regulations for the medical course at certain private higher education institutions.
Following instructions from the Education Ministry last week, AUCMS students had enrolled in other institutes to continue their studies while the university college sorts out its financial situation.
However, after registering and paying the fees, these students were informed that their chosen institutes would exceed the lecturer-to-student ratio set by the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC) and they would have to be placed in other institutions.
A representative of the parents, Azman Taher, has appealed to the MMC and the Education Ministry to relax the quota ruling so that these students could continue their studies after being in limbo for six months.
“Let the students stay in the university of their choice,” he told the media yesterday after a briefing for students and parents by AUCMS officials at Cyberjaya University College of Medical Sciences (CUCMS).
He added that about 230 AUCMS students, including his daughter, had registered in CUCMS.
Another parent, who did not want to be identified, questioned why AUCMS and the ministry did not inform them of the quota during the briefing on alternative institutions last month.
“Our children have chosen CUCMS because its syllabus is about 85% similar to AUCMS’,” he said, adding that it was the same scenario at AIMST University and Universiti Kuala Lumpur Royal College of Medicine Perak.
During yesterday’s briefing, AUCMS registrar Datuk Basir Elon said the affected students could now choose to enrol in six other institutions – Melaka-Manipal Medical College, UCSI University, MAHSA University, Management and Science University (Bangalore, India campus), SEGi University and Lincoln University College – to continue their studies.
A memo by AUCMS dated Oct 20 said the students would be informed of their new institution by Monday.
Hi doc,
My comment is not related to this post, but i just want to ask, have you ever heard of ozone therapy? Is it an approved line of treatment? My dad received this treatment from a private doctovr but I somehow doubt the safety of this treatment, thus I want to ask for opinion from those whose experts in this field…
MMC has already issued a statement on this in 2011 on this issue http://mmc.gov.my/v1/docs/PRESS_RELEASE-_ozone_and_chelating_therapy_2.pdf.
Assalamualaikum DrPaga, dengar cerita Datuk Wazir sudah balik malaysia.
Minta pertolongan Dr Paga membantu kami yang dalam musibah ini mencari dia dan minta kehadapan memberi penjelasan dan solusi. Penat sudah saya belajar, tapi tak boleh nak grad. minta tolong ye Dr Paga. Kami nak grad, supaya kami dapat start kerja and menyara ibubapa kami.
I am not sure how i can help you, th only way you are going to get your degree is by paying USU. i don’t think the college can pay them since they can’t even pay the staffs.
Well, my friend just informed that the manpower aka HO are very much needed in hospitals.She complained of burnout and shortage of hand.My guess here are the maldistribution error.Still, contrary to your belief, such situation still occur.
That is what I have been saying. Maldistribution is the reason why some departments or hospitals having so called shortage. Furthermore, the number of HOs taken depends on the number of consultants available.
Dr paga i heard that many aucms -UKM md students had been permanently absorbed into Ukm Md prgramme…this is totally unfair for the current students of UKM who worked their ass off to secure a medical seat..this unqualified students of md ukm aucms will not bring any good for Ukm…200 quota but 2 year student of ukm itself is 150+ n add on another 100+ student of md ukm aucms…this has already exceed the normal quota of 200….so what is ur opinion dr paga?
*2nd year md ukm student
Backdoor entry has been the norm in Malaysia for more than 30 years. Selection of students has never been based on merits alone. This is Malaysia Boleh lah.
Yes, I wrote about it over HERE
By right MMC should act but UKM being a government university, I am sure nothing will happen.
In my opinion, there’s nothing unfair here. I’m from Penang and as far as I know, it has been quite sometime that self sponsored students from northern region (Perak to Perlis) will definitely opt for AIMST University over AUCMS unless AIMST’s quota are full.. Most of the student from AUCMS and even PU are govenment sponsored and will find no problem absorbing into local public universities if their universities got into trouble.
Hi,
I have one question , can you explain more about the unqualified student ?
As far as i concern 95% of the students are under scholarship (jpa and mara) and their spm results are minimum straight A’s . Most of the Mara student with SPC programme (skim pelajar cemerlang). may i ask where you got the info about the unqualified student?
Yes, this is the truth! as far as i know ..there are few students (less than 10) of their first batch were self-sponsored…but 95% of them end-up being dropped because failed the exams. while the rest of students were MARA sponsored students (SPC) some more. People can judge themselves to see about ‘Qualification’ – just let the system ‘screen’ the students accordingly
UKM is not going to do anything about the overcrowdedness. Students are promised of swift actions to move AUCMS students to other hospitals, but until now nothing is being done. AUCMS lies, UKM also lies.
kenapa ye awak nak marah? saya pelajar perubatan MD UKM AUCMS. saya disini belajar elok2 saje. pensyarah dan doktor sangat prihatin dalam proses pembelajaran. kita harus membuang sifar amarah, iri hati ye. susah hidup kalau tidak bertoleransi dan tolong menolong antara satu sama lain.
ceria2 selalu
What about those who work their ass off but still can’t get into UKM although they may be way better than those who started off in dubious university with entry results that is far more inferior? (I am not insulting anyone, merely stating the fact) I wonder what Singapore is going to do with UKM recognition if they know that not all UKM students that graduated in UKM started in the same university even they have mentioned that the students must finish their course in the same campus to gain recognition. But that’s when those universities have ‘branch’ campus. Let’s see what happens when Sg MoH knows about this.
Singapore will exclude this batch of student.
It is specifically mentioned in the SMC list, that franchise programmes are NOT recognised, thus the AUCMS-UKM qualification is not recognised. What SMC will do now, they may either remove UKM from the list, or demand transcripts from applicants to find out if they are full UKM or backdoor entry students. Easiest will be just to remove. Their NTU-Imperial Med school will graduate their first batch in 2018, reducing their shortage, and in addition, many from Oz will choose to go to Singapore, as the excess graduates there continue until at least 2018.
saya pun tak faham kenapa ramai yang nak marah. dalam situasi macam ni, tak perlu la nak menyentap. apa yang penting, kerjasama. tak ada beza mana pun pelajar MD UKM/ MDUKM AUCMS. akhirnya, semue jadi doktor. the pioneer batch from AUCMS MD UKM already got their HO placement. i’m sure they’re doing good/on par as the other HO’s. what so special nak kerja singapore tu? memang semua MD UKM nak kerja singapore ke? rasanya singapore lagi nak ambil graduate dari UK/ Ireland berbanding graduan malaysia.sudah2 la menyentap tak tentu pasal. muhasabah diri banyak2. jangan sakitkan hati orang. tak baik dan sangat tidak murni.
You didn’t pay the full price of admission, why should you get to watch the show?
If UKM is not careful, they could also be delisted by SgMC. This is what has happened to UM when they were delisted by the GMC, UK on the basis of their intake entry qualification and quota. Those days, you can see a lot of UM grad did their post grad and sub-specialization in UK but not now anymore.
Why UKM students not protesting about this?
You are in BOlehland!
Exaucms student, correct me if I am wrong. Are you all actually having bed side teaching in hospital KB? As far as I know, case clerk and is back to class room. No bed side teaching. Also heard funny stories of how students behave when they came to hkb Ed ( I shall not elebrate here as I was not there just hear say ).
what’s your intention on writing that comment Liang?
Why should UKM care about being listed in SgMC or even GMC UK? Does UKM train doctors to work in Malaysia or Singapore at the expense of Malaysian tax money?
UKM cares nothing for SgMC and GMC UK recognition. There is no need. Dah capai “jaguh kampung” cukup lah, kan?
But of course such a mindset probably explains the chronic inability of our nation in achieving much that is innovative or oustanding with any degree of consistency on the world stage. (The great Nicol David being the exception that proves the rule!)
There’s a specific group of students, who should not speak a word when it comes to the matter of who’s good and who’s not. These students, even the ones studying in public med school, received special attention from the government. They would get into special colleges after SPM with their funny results. They would somehow get 4.0 there, which on the paper is the same as STPM students. We all know the syllabus is not the same between the two institutions. But anyhow, they would be treated the same as STPM students, and be placed in public med schools. There are also students in this group of people with even funnier results that are going to private med schools, and worse, to schools in some other countries. Once again, we all know what these students are like. So, if you belong in that group of people, you should just be grateful on what you are doing now and keep quiet. Why not spend the time arguing here on studying instead? Leave the worrying to the ones who are oppressed. To be fair, there are a lot of incompetent students who are not from this group of people as well and also excellent students from the particular group. But I strongly believe that there are more rotten apples in the group.
If you want to talk, honestly ask yourself these questions: Was your SPM result excellent? Did you study in a proper foundation college? Are you really doing well in med school? If the answers are all yes, then you are free to talk whatever you want.
from the comments, and without looking at their spm results and knowing how well they do in med school, how do you know if they are from your labelled ‘specific’ group of students.
and also,just please stop this prejudice towards certain group of ppl. those funny results by your defination might exist 10/20 years ago when the govenment wanted to balance the race/profession ratio, but fyi it is no longer a valid argument now
if you think matrik is unfair compared to STPM, what about those ausmats, monash foundation, canadian yr 12?.. those courses are no harder than matrik but yet still be treated as equivalent pre-u program as stpm!. at the end of the day, all of the students will be examined by the same prof/doctor that examine the STPM leavers!
If you want to talk about funny exam results, almost all private universities are using foundation exams as their entry qualification including IMU and MMMC (Melaka). These latter 2 mentioned universities have no choice too but to start offering foundation courses starting this year or else they will be out of business in a few years’ time. Lately, their number of student intake have dwindle so much so that if they don’t begin offering the one year foundation courses, they will be running at a lost.
I wonder that why can’t the MD AUCMS students comment in proper English or at least proper BM here ==”
To all aucms ukm haters please dont bark here…fyi,we all went thru d same procedure as what all ukm student went for selection process(mind you we got <3.5)…and we deserve to get absorbed…to all those ukm students whom think they are great just cut off your ego k…dont let me state how you ukm students and lecturers treat us(aucms)..double standard only in malaysia…and one more thing we are not studying free dear ukm*ers…stop treating like rubbish before we go and report to police on the way u bullied us…
* 3.5 and above for foundation
I thought the minimum requirement to enter UKM MD is CGPA 4.0?
Unless by a stroke of “luck”,with a CGPA 3.50 gets you to UKM,there will be a long line of applicants and many private medical schools going under!
No you don’t deserve to get into UKM. Minimum is 4.0. In fact, with 2500+ Matrik/STPM students getting 4.0, nobody with less than 4.0 should get in.
It is amazing to see people obviously under qualified, got in by the backdoor, and yet is so arrogant in their attitude.
Misplaced sense of entitlement, perhaps.
Wah, your manners, you just shocked all of us with the way you communicate and comment. It somehow shows what is actually your so-called standard and quality of AUCMS students all about. How pathetic you are.
Dear Proud AUCMS UKM medical students,
May I know how much is your tuition fees in UKM?
Be grateful la bro to studi in ukm!!3.5 xckop la bro…push yourself harder to cope in studies.any proble can contact me…i’m doing 3rd year now..reply me n i give u my facebook id.
Wow….look at the mentality of the future doctors. Instead of being happy for them and wishing the AUCMS students good luck, we some some idiots here who are bursting with envy. Shame on you guys. I guess you all would have been happy to see these unfortunate students loosing their seats & tuition fees paid .
Kannn ashraf, hati busuk ada hati nak jadi doctor,belajar pun tunggang langgang lagi, banyak2 la bertaubat sebelum Allah tarik nikmat korang. sekarang ni , kita perlu cari Datuk Wazir & keluarga dia,mereka harus bertanggungjawab atas perkara telah berlaku
Sentap,
Your comments speaks a lot
Can I do MCEM exam in Malaysia ?
Is it difficult to work as a GP locum in Kota Bahru ?
Is it only UKM which takes AUCMS students ? how about UM ?
Not that I know of. Please ask the college.
difficult or not depends on you
ONLY UKM as it is a MD UKM program offered by AUCMS.
Actually AUCMS has made huge profit from even medical student alone. 150 student per year intake @ RM300k per student = RM450 million. Let say, Year 1 to Year 5 student (they already have at least 5 intakes) i.e. RM450M x 5 intakes = RM2,255 millions i.e. RM2.255 billions of cash inflows. That is from medical student alone. Last year alone, AUCMS has bought hundreds of millions worth of properties in UK. http://www.allianzeunicollege.edu.my/portal/media/855-aucms-ventures-overseas.html
The education ministry, instead of absorbing all the students into public universties, the Board of Directors should be investigated first whether there is any misappropriation of funds for other purposes.
Totally agree with ashraf. Later you guys would become colleague and work in the same place, why so much hate toward one another. when you already reached at medical school stage, you are not competing with each other anymore. You guys need to complete each other and make sure that everyone is able to pass and become a safe doctor. I guarantee you that non of your patient will ask or bother which medical school you came from. And yes, private medical school stigma will last until changes are seen and proven otherwise.
To ‘proudaucmsukm student’ dont talk nonsense here…since when we bully you?.you guys are the one who “menumpang” in our uni…learn your manners first !!dont compare your backdoor entry so called “foundation studies” same as our entry to ukm oky..
The true UKM students’ sentiment revealed.~ 😀
Well, I learnt more hate here. Instead of looking for the solution, we tend to argue who is the best. I don’t who u r, but we r all the same having this bad habit.
The solution is simple. All these students need to be reassessed to see if they are suitable, and those who are not, and/or who fails exams should be dropped from the course. Look at the real situation on the ground now, read Pagalavan’s next post.
Is enforcement of high standards considered ‘hate’? This question permeate throughout Malaysian education. We dumb down to the lowest common denominator, and then wonders why medical education is in a mess.
Just watch this video! The figure given by the Health Minister doesn’t correspond to the total number of intakes of students finalised under Ministry of Education.
http://m.kinitv.com/video/12404O8
There are mistakes in the figures quoted. I think the figure 8000 1st year students in private universities is wrong.
Md ukm aucms shouldnt exist at the place in our country!!why need md ukm aucms when you have md ukm itself where you have the best student all over malaysia applying and getting offered for those who really qualified…what has MMC been doing all this while?why do they fail to monitor aucms?this situation will spoil ukm reputation as one of the best uni in malaysia….these students should be transferred to other private ipts to continue their studies or do a compulsory re acessing exam to ensure that they are up to the standard of md ukm…
Go get a life for those who still question our presence in ukm!!dont keep on telling us that you are not qualified for ukm all sort of thing!!good doc doesnt mean must be judged academically only!!imma proud to be aucms ukm student and we will be great docs in future….just wait and see!!
Why not do it the malaysian way?
One of those GLC or whathever you call them, MARA or 1mDB can pick up the debt and run the college.
They did it for MAS, why not just do it for these students
After all these will be an asset and if the government owns the college it is a public college.
Maybe the right person to write to is finance minister or PM
Tabung Haji was their main share holder till they pulled out last year. That’s when they got into trouble.
Malaysian Medical Council (MMC) should not bow to any political pressure when it comes to quality of both medical ipts and ipta….there should be no comprimising when it comes to facility and quality of a medical institution..What makes me taken aback was when MMC finally decided to relax quota for aucms students meaning that 1:8 (lecturer student ratio) which before that was set to 1:4…meaning that MMC is willing to risk the quality of future doctors that will serve the rakyat…feeling puzzled..
MMC is never an independent body
Even the relaxed ratio the practical ratio in UKM is still at 1:10 or 1:11 (teaching perspective). If course UKM spins it by calculating theoretical rario based on the total number of lecturers and students combined. And they can get away with that
The ratio is always calculated by using ALL the lecturers. You can have 20 preclinical lecturers and only 3 clinical lecturers, the total is still 23!
Hi Dr Paga!! I’m a 4.0 STPM graduate. I really interested in medicine! I had applied UKM but being rejected maybe due to my co-curriculum marks not that high. I had appealed online but unfortunately fail to enter ukm too. But, I read that AUCMS will be absorbed into UKM.. Is there a way to enrol in AUCMS so that I can become student of UKM now?
Don’t you know that AUCMS has closed down!
Dear Paga,
An ancient chinese proverb for you “忠言逆耳”, meaning “good advice is least heeded”(This one did not come from Confucious.)
Despite all your posts & comments, people just wont listen to you. 😛
Don’t insist on doing Medicine bro! Engineering has a brighter future and a more flexible job prospect judging from the current state of affairs…
How terrible AUCMS-UKM student behave!! Don’t make us shame! Please!! In fact, I’m also a AUCMS student but I’m not study the AUCMS-UKM MD.. To be honest, personally I think that it’s not fair for AUCMS-UKM being absorbed into UKM although it has UKM name behind.. First, it’s unfair to those study in UKM as all of them hv to get 4.0 in their previous school or matriculation in order to get in UKM for medicine. Whereas, AUCMS-UKM students just have to get above 3.0 for loan or above 3.5 for scholarship to get AUCMS-UKM MD. Now, they have to compete for patients as the ratio of medical students to patients is large. Besides, AUCMS-UKM students had mock exam before the real exam came in AUCMS whereas UKM students do not. It’s really unfair for UKM students up to certain extent. Second, it’s even unfair to the students that unable to get IPTA medicine course outside!! There were 1000++ 4.0 students and even more number of 3.5-3.99 students who apply IPTA medicine last year. How many of them get into IPTA for medicine? Third, it’s unfair for patients and their families. It’s because they come to HUKM just because its reputation and its good service. Unfortunately, now is too crowded. Each patient has to be clerked and examined repetitively by many students. It certainly makes the patient exhausted!! Fourth, it’s unfair for us, other medical courses in AUCMS.. Why we have to be distributed to different private colleges whereas they can enter public university? AUCMS is definitely private college!! IPTS still IPTS!! I’m not saying that we should be distributed into public university. But, all AUCMS students should be treated equally!! which is transfer to other private colleges too!! That’s just my opinion as a AUCMS student
At the end…..The degree certificate still write ‘MD UKM’ instead of ‘MD AUCMS- UKM’…..
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I am from ASASIpintar UKM. I heard that UKM is going to absorb 30 foundation students from AUCMS for its MD programme this year. Do you know that UKM gave its own ASASIpintar 10 places for medicine? The number of seats given for AUCMS is 3 times more than the seat given to us! We have to compete among ourselves to prove ourselves worthy of entering medicine, not only among the 100 ASASIpintar students but also with matriculation and STPM students. We have to get a 4.0 too (3.8+ in a few cases) in order to secure a place and also pass the UKM interview. To those AUCMS students who will be entering UKM medicine, please be grateful that you are able to enter in a bigger amount than us from ASASIpintar UKM. No matter what, let’s cooperate in every circumstances and don’t differentiate where we are from.
That’s because these students were given a promise to be enrolled into the MD UKM(AUCMS) after the foundation program. Thus, UKM have to fulfil it’s promise.As I had always said, foundation programs are just an eyewash. Most student’s medical seat has already been booked before they even start their foundation studies, in most private colleges.