I wrote about this college way back in January and I thought they would have found a solution , BUT looking at today’s Page 2 of Star, it has not been solved yet!! As I have mentioned before, MMC had derecognised Cyberjaya Medical College as off Dec 2010 (http://mmc.gov.my/v1/docs/Jadual%20Kedua%2011-02-07_Website.pdf). If the status does not change by September, their graduates for this year will have to sit for the MQE exams. I was informed that the final year students has been told about this possibility.
However, I am sure within the next few days, our great politicians will be jumping into the fray to defend their citizens, since it has appeared on the 2nd page of Star and MARA/JPA scholars are affected. They seem to be busy with sex videos and “erections” this year. MMC will probably keep quiet and recognise the college again by September. I hope I am wrong and I hope the MMC will keep their standards and audit many more of the medical schools in the country. If anyone really look into some of these medical schools in this country, you will be shocked on how they cheat the people with all their part-time lecturers. The number of full timers will be pathetic! Some college just throws the students to the attached hospital and hope the hospital’s consultants will teach them in the wards. Unfortunately, that does not happen as they are too busy!
Students still in limbo as medical college seeks to rectify quota error
By RICHARD LIM
educate@thestar.com.my
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CYBERJAYA: The furore surrounding the Cyberjaya University College of Medical Sciences (CUCMS) shows no signs of abating as angry parents demand action over their “stranded” children.
This comes after 68 medical students were forced to transfer to other institutions as a result of CUCMS exceeding the 150-student quota set by the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC).
Around 50 parents, who turned up yesterday to discuss the academic fate of their children with the institution’s senior staff, were left disappointed.
Datuk Paduka Mohd Yusof Musa (in black suit and tie) discussing the next move with students and parents after they met representatives from the Cyberjaya University College of Medical Sciences on Thursday.
Later, parents said tempers had flared during the “closed-door” meeting with the institution, from which the press had been barred.
One parent, Datuk Paduka Mohd Yusof Musa, whose 20-year-old son Mohd Hishadudin was one of those affected, said it was unfair that the students had to suffer.
“Although the college is negotiating for the students’ transfer to other institutions, they are in a state of limbo as most have yet to receive offer letters,” he said, claiming some sponsored students would have to repeat their first year while many parents were also seeking financial compensation.
“Some have attended interviews with other medical schools but until something concrete materialises, they are at the mercy of the negotiations,” said Mohd Yusof, urging both the Higher Education Ministry and the MMC to look into the matter.
Mara student Farhan Zulkifli said he did not qualify for a credit transfer to another institution due to differences in syllabi and learning methods, and would have to repeat his first year.
“This is the third meeting on the matter and it is a waste of time without any concrete solution. My parents came all the way from Johor for nothing,” he said.
Angry parents who alerted The Star to their plight had claimed that they were spending more than RM100,000 to fund their children through foundation studies and the first year of an “unrecognised” medical course.
Following the “illegal” intake, the MMC had withdrawn CUCMS’ accreditation and the medical school must now re-apply for it.
It is learnt that 23 Mara and 22 Public Service Department-sponsored students are affected.
Yesterday, The Star‘s reporter and photographer were swiftly “ushered” into a holding room upon arriving at CUCMS.
“We have nothing to hide but you are not allowed at the briefing and these are our premises,” said a staff member.
CUCMS president Prof Datuk Dr Abu Abdullah said it was actively working on a solution with five other institutions and the MMC.
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I like how they’re calling it an “error”, as if to imply the whole fiasco is accidental…
I find it really funny why the country would even need that many doctors to start with. Many diseases, especially chronic ones can be prevented through simple lifestyle changes on the part of the individual. Wouldn’t it do society more good to raise public awareness about health care issues rather than simply hiring more doctors in anticipation of more patients???
Oh, wait we’re talking about Malaysia…
I am also appalled at the lack of engagement between Malaysian patients and their doctors, particularly elderly patients. Seriously, to anyone reading this, how much do you actually get out of each consultation with your physician? My experience with GPs in Malaysia has frequently yielded monosyllabic answers mostly in the form of “yes” or “no”. I can’t possibly be the only one to have experienced this.
Funny thing though, how Malaysians seem to embrace private health care so willingly – those who can afford it couldn’t care less if the public system evaporates. See, this country likes to call itself world class, developed or what-not, but the reality cannot be any further from the truth – there is no social security system in place; it’s every man for himself. Again, Malaysians seem to live with it just fine. I wonder what the country plans to run on once petroleum is gone.
I find the logic in Malaysia laughable at times. I happened to come across a series of videos on Youtube featuring the Vice-chancellor of Universiti Malaya, discussing the various strategies to raise UM into the top 100 institutions in the world. Again, to anyone out there reading this, and if you want to get an idea of what the best university in Malaysia is like, feel free to check out the link below:
Let’s take the QS ranking as an example – the only non OECD countries to feature in the top 100 are China(2) and Russia(1), and these three institutions consistently attract the best students from their respective countries. Let’s look at Malaysia, and I’m bringing this up because we’re going to have the usual JPA madness in the coming months, where we have all the top scorers scrambling to study in an overseas institution, mostly in OECD countries too. So, can anyone explain how Universiti Malaya plans to achieve its goal when a) the best students all (or most of them) leave the country thus contributing to UM’s competitors and b) the quality of students admitted are …? (I’ll let the readers decide for themselves after they watch the video). Has it ever crossed your mind that universities in Malaysia are caught in a vicious cycle where they cannot attract the best brains because the system is flawed and the system is flawed because all the best brains have left ??? How can JPA and MARA justify sending more scholars overseas when they’ve been doing it for decades (not to mention the millions of ringgit spent) and the results have been less than desirable. But then again, who cares as long as my kid gets the scholarship and eventually settles overseas? Ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?
Ah well, this comes as no surprise really – after all, in boleh-land, most problems such as this arise out of bottomless greed for easy money.
We will never become a true world-class developed nation unless the following fundamental inadequacies are addressed:
1) Equality
2) Meritocracy
3) Transparency
4) Accountability
The politicians will get involved to protect their own or family member’s interests and the MMC (no matter how well intentioned) will once again be revealed to be nothing but a government sock-puppet regulatory body.
Dear dr,
i have read parts of your blog before and you really seem like a skeptical man to me. you call malaysia boleh-land, yet you are one of the citizen too. if you are honestly that unhappy with the way the country is running, then why are you still here?with your capabilities you can get a job as a doctor anywhere, but yet you are still here. seems strange for someone who hates “boleh land” isn’t it? as for CUCMS, you should not judge the college before even knowing what the issue is about. the star does have a reputation of exaggerating stories and its weird how someone so educated as you just seem to believe it offhand. i think you should know whats going on first before giving such opinions as above.
Dear Medstudent,
Of course I should be able to work anywhere but this is my country and I am not a coward to run away from this country like some people. I will stay put and try to change the situation by voicing out my opinion and by voting! Of course newspapers exaggerate stories but trust me, I know what I am talking about. I have worked in a private medical school before and I know everyhting that is happening within a medical school. It is you who are ignorant of the facts which is much bigger than what you think.
Dear Dr.
It seems to me that all these years of training as a healthcare professional has not taught you to investigate further before making wild assumptions. Please get your facts right before trying to bestow us all with your faulty information.
Firstly, it is Cyberjaya University College of Medical Sciences. And yes I am a student there and I am proud of it. We have an amazing learning system and excellent professors. It is just a shame that some person at the top had to screw all our chances with his greedy acts.
Secondly, we do not “cheat the people with all their part-time lecturers” and the ludicrous assumptions that “The number of full timers will be pathetic!” is as close to the truth as was the assumption that the earth is flat. If you must know, most of our lecturers here are full timers and they are very dedicated. Maybe your statement holds true for other medical schools, but if you actually did a little research before making generalizations, you’d find that none of the nonsense taking place is attributable to our academic section.
Yes, I agree that it is a generalisation but truth hurts when you know what is the actual number of full timers that a medical school needs in order to be a good international medical school. You may say that you have 40 full timers in your medical school but when you devide it to various disciplines, you will probably have 2 physicians/2 O&G specialist teaching 150 – 236 students!! That is what I mean pathetic. You are probably too immature to understad what I am talking about. I know exactly what is the number of full timers that you have but please compare it with a good medical school with international ranking. Then you will know what I am talking about.
Medical officers are not suppose to become lecturers but some colleges do employ them to make up the numbers. Preclinical lecturers are not suppose to teach clinical medicine. You’re suppose to have one physician/surgeons for every 5-10 students, that’s the international standards. This is nothing about the existing lecturers are dedicated or not. It is about international standards that we should emulate.
Hmm another unqualified student is not respecting the person who can be your tutor…. And you call yourself a medical student
Dear dr,
You said that you try to change the situation by voicing out your opinions on your blog. But this is just via writing that would probably get you in ISA someday(which i hope won’t happen). I’m just so surprised that you are very skeptical and cynical as a doctor regarding medical colleges as you yourself graduated from a malaysian medical college. you have a lot to say regarding your disapproval of new private colleges but don’t you think that these colleges are an opportunity for some of us who were rejected by the government colleges not because of our grades, rather because we didn’t fit the quota in that college. i also think that medical students can be nurtured to become good doctors no matter where they graduate from as every university has at least some standard which the students have to live up to which is by sitting for professional exams and such. By the time these students finish their housemanship they would be presentable doctors.what if your own child were to be in one of these private colleges and that said college were to get in trouble such as the college mentioned above, then what?what if you didn’t have enough money to take them out of there and they had to suffer the wrath like the students are in CUCMS. It is always easy to talk, but sometimes we have to put ourselves in the shoes of those parents and understand. i may be ignorant, but i can understand the plight of those parents and hence i am not as skeptical as you are when it come to judging private colleges.
As I said, you are probably too immature to understand what I am talking about. Every medical schools should have proper entrance qualifications and I have been saying this since the begining. There are just too many medical schools in the country with dubious entrance qualifications. IN most countries , majority of these students will not even get a place to do medicine due to the strict entrance criteria. In australia, only the top 10% of the students of their “standardised” pre-U course wil be eligible to do medicine. There must be a reason why most developed countries maintain this standards, right? We have the highest number of medical school per capita of the population in the world!! Have you wondered why? It is all about money. No doubt that if you are good student, you will succeed whever you graduate from due to self discipline and passion for medicine. Have you analysed the failure rate of students in our medical schools? It is almost 0%!!! So, what standards are you talking about? In australia, even with the stringent entry criteria, the failure rate is still 5%!
For your info, I will never encourage my children to do medicine. You will know why when you start to work and get into the system. Also, please remember that I never said anything about the students. I am only talking about the private university’s management. I feel sorry for the students as well as they have been cheated but who to blame? The businessman behind the college and The government who don’t strictly monitor the colleges and allowed the mushrooming of medical college. No doubt we needed more medical schools but the numbers that we have now are just too big. Many colleges trying to come up with dubious foundation programmes to make up the number of students , so that they can make the profit!
Medicine is entirely a different ball game. After you graduate you are not dealing with menequins anymore, it is real life and thus a good standard of entry is important no matter how you try to justify otherwise
0% failure rate. unbelievable. welcome to bolehland where everything is possible
BTW, since you brought up the issue of me graduating from local medical school, let me tell you something. I entered UM medical faculty in 1992 when the faculty is already 28 years old but you know what is the intake? 180 students!! despite having their own 600 bedded teaching hospitals with all discipline and full fletched subspeciality. Each subspeciality had atleast 3-5 lectures/AP/P. That is what you call a proper medical school of international standing. The only reason UM was dercognised by GMC is because of the quota system and matriculation which was not recognised by them as an entry qualification. In most countries, medical schools are never privatised !! it is all government funded
Hello Dr Pagavalan,
I’m final year medical student in CUCMS. And I think you are talking to my junior up there. =)
As what he/she has mentioned there, a lot of thing is true regarding how passionate the lecturers and even there are several consultants who are not being mentioned their name (or being payed) are currently teaching us whether in weekdays or weekend.
I’m aware that maybe it’s quite weird for all those consultants to come and teach us but that makes the students love CUCMS, very very much. See how my junior try to defend CUCMS as much as he/she can. I really hope Dr, can come and see the our students in clinical year and see how are we. Of course, for sure I admit myself, that I’m lacking of knowledge and theory which makes us become the punch-bag by the consultants. =)
However, for everything that has happen, that doesn’t mean the lecturers, students or even management are at fault. We, final year has done one very peaceful demonstration and gives the management our letter of demand from our lawyer. Of course we final year fought for it, why should we, who has done nothing wrong would be punished because of ‘that mistakes’?
The problem here which makes me and my friends angry is, the STAR is twisting the real situation. They are very one-sided. How come they didn’t take any testimonials from us, final year students or even the other batches? How come they are focusing on ‘helping’ students who just starting their first year and yet, get less than 2.5 CGPA in their 1st semester including several posting in 2nd semester? I don’t say they are not good but I pity them because medicine is tough, really tough (for me).
What CUCMS (especially lecturers) is currently doing now is that they are trying very hard to preserve CUCMS’s quality by maintaining the ratio of students: lecturers. And how they choose the students which need to relocate, it is from their results. Of course it’s disheartening for the lecturers to let their own students out but they don’t even have a choice because they are also dealing with other batches future.
Therefore, the lecturers are trying to take care all their welfares (the students who need to be relocated) by making sure everything are fine until they get a new place to continue their study.
That’s what should be mentioned by STAR, not distorted it or stained other people’s name without getting the true reason. That’s why I don’t ever believe all this media propaganda of ‘sex video, erection or whatsoever’. That’s all bullshit.
I hope people out there can have clear view of what is happening. Of course, I agreed with Dr that there must someone, who did that mistakes, who know that the limit of CUCMS to take students is 150 (it’s stated in the MMC-CUCMS agreement in 2005) but greedy with all the profits, with no insight on how much it will affect the students, lecturers or management (employees).
For me, if the first year parent who really want to file lawsuit against CUCMS, please fairly find that someone and punish him. I believe that this someone also has caused two previous disturbances which cause MMC sending their warning letters.
In summary, I support MMC’s decision and I pray for the best. Thank you for your view Dr as I have been one of your favorite blog reader since few months ago. I want to be a good doctor who contribute a lot to my country.
May God bless you. Thank you.
Thanks for your comment. As I have said earlier, I got no issue with the academics. I am sure those who joint CUCMS as lecturers are dedicated and interested in teaching. If not they will be in some private hospitals or clinics. The issue is with the management or the businessman who runs the medical school. It is the same in all private medical schools, there are here to make money/profit. Thus, no matter what the academics try to do, the businessman will only think of profit and not quality etc etc. You mentioned that there are students who are scoring low CGPA and thus will be chosen to be transfered out. Even though I feel that the uni is being forced to do this but how did these students were accepted to medical schools in the first place? This is what I have been saying all this while that we need good standardised entry qualifications to medical schools. Only then a good quality product can be maintained. That is the reality and reality hurts!
I feel sorry for you guys who are good but denied the recognition. Now, everyone has to suffer for a businessman’s greed.
Sir, correct me if im wrong, you are right to say they lowered the entry qualification just to attract more student to join, it is not easy to organize a medical school without profit right. They are not doing these for charity purposes. And stop saying that how great is UM, it was great but it is just a more than ordinary uni now! Even private colleges are overtaking them very soon, some even have partnership from higher ranked unis… About the quality of students compare with some private medical colleges, i dont think there is any difference, why? ask MOE
As I have said earlier, medical colleges should never be privatised!! That is the fact. Once you allow private medical colleges, profit is what matters. Quality will be second!! Thus they would not hesitate to lower the standards just to keep their profit.
As for UM, I did not say that they are great! It use to be one of the best medical college in the world, back in 1970s and 80s till the quota system was implemented. As all other universities in Malaysia, the standards are dropping everywhere simply because of too much politics! Only pure meritocracy and standardised entry qualifications can make any university to be of international standards. Unfortunately that does not happen in Malaysia. All the world renowned academics in UM have either retired or left to private due to internal politics.
hye,i’m medical student from somewhere in india
not so fact i think. i don’t agree with statement of privatizing result in dropping of quality. here in india, most of the medical schools here are private, therefore profit.
but trust me, their quality never drop a bit. facilities in here are quite bad, but qualities, no doubt about that. people all around the world are studying here
There is a difference between India and Malaysia. India has good human resource and most medical schools have good number of academics. THIS does not happen in Malaysia!! We have medical schools here with 15 full time academics running Year 3-5!!
So CUCMS recruited 236 student, when they are allowed to recruit 150 student.
1) Why does it take so long for the authority to ‘DISCOVER’
the mistake? What happen to the ministry who is supposed to ‘monitor’ the quality of medical school.
2) It looks like CUCMS have been trying very hard to increased the intake and increase profit with no regards of quality or goverment rules.
3) how was the 86 student selected out of the 236 student? What was the criteria for selecting the 86 out of 236 student. Was there any exam or test to determine why some have to be drop out? to be fair the selection process should be transparent.
would appreciate if anyone or the CUCMS students involved can enlighten me on these matter. Thank you.
1. The AUTHORITY (MMC & MQA) has discover it long time ago, give us warning letter since November last year, just the ‘action taken’ is quite late. I don’t want to comment on ‘late action taken’. However, when the MQA came last year, we got 4th tier in the list and believe me, the only reason CUCMS being not ‘de-recognized’ is because the excess first year students.
2. It’s true and wrong. True for some one who want to stretch the profitability but wrong for ‘them’ who has been fighting for the quality of CUCMS. What has been pictured in media is very one-sided. Even we students, know that MBBS faculty fought against the decision of taking the extra number of students long time ago. However, what they can do? They didn’t own the share of CUCMS. =)
So, for me, there’s good and bad thing this happen. I hope this first mistake will teach several people in CUCMS that never play around with students’ future and the quality of health care.
3. As I mentioned in previous posts, it’s through exam and after a lot of hassles, then the MBBS faculty can send the results to the Senate member to get approval. I can assure you on this but more than 2/3 students who are being relocate are Malay Muslim. I feel very bad.
Why I can tell you this? Since I have been there, involve in this since last year. Previously I also was one of the Student Council. However, this is the limitation of me to write everything here, which I can say the more I talk here, the more susceptible for me to be sued. =P
I hope with the little information, the society won’t judge CUCMS as a whole as a bad institution. For me, I’m proud to be CUCMS. Actually it can be settled internally but of course they are people who expect that when it went to media, the decision of relocation would change. The answer is ‘no’ and we abide by the MMC rule.
Last, don’t expect everything report by media is the whole story. They are really one-sided. Do they ask for the lecturers’ testimony, or other batches? Of course not.
I hope I entertained you with my answer.
I feel so much happier now I unredsatnd all this. Thanks!
mohd waqiyuddin, thanks for your answer. medical intake should never be focus on quota, person race or religion. they should have practice meritocracy a long time ago. Patients life are at stake. As for me, i will only visit a good qualified doctor with good reputation and track record, it doesnt matter if he is an indian, chinese or malay. Medicine is also a calling, one can never and should not join the medical profession just to make money or for prestige.good luck to you.
Dear Esther,
I admire your sense of idealism and reminds me of myself when I first entered medicine in 1991. Today, I’m a little older (and hopefully wiser) and I’ve come to realise that the real world sadly does not, and often cannot, run on ideals.
There’s no doubt that medical intakes should ideally be based purely on merit. However, sometimes a degree of affirmative action is acceptable otherwise students from less advantaged backgrounds will never have the opportunity to enter medical school. A student from an impoverished rural background might have the potential to be an excellent doctor, but his/her grades might fall just short of the entry mark due to social circumstances. The study of medicine should not be the province of the rich and privileged only.
The trouble with our Boleh-land is that too many things are run with political and self-serving interests. So the common people suffer (in this case the medical students and dedicated lecturers) just for the sake of a selfish few (stakeholders of CUCMS). And the political fingers mean that nothing will ever be accountable with full transparency.
As far as medicine being a calling goes, that’s certainly why it’s my career for a lifetime. And it’s the ideal reason for why one should choose to be a doctor. But do not automatically dismiss those who choose to do it mainly for money or prestige. I know many great doctors who have achieved outstanding things for their patients even though their primary motivation was money/prestige rather than the patient’s welfare! By and large, one usually cannot achieve wealth and prestige in the practice of clinical medicine/surgery if one does not get good patient outcomes in the first place!!
Dear Dr Pagalavan,
I am a medical students from UPM, and I find your blog incredibly informative. I have included several very interesting articles of yours on our medical club website (putramd.blogspot.com) as to share with other UPM med students of the current situation in the Malaysian medical healthcare system. I felt it was very important that as much people as possible are informed with this. It’s not much, and I haven’t re-posted everything, but it’s a start to get people from my uni to read your blog. A link to your blog post is included after every re-post on our website, of course. If you mind or have any suggestions, please do not hesitate e-mail or drop us a comment. Much thanks in advance!
Nazirah, 3rd year UPM 2010/2011
OK, no problem.
Well done, Nazirah for the initiative in setting up such an informative website. I hope it will serve as a platform for medical student to express their view regarding the health care system in M’sia. It’s sad to see that most students are either too busy with their own stuff or wouldn’t care less with the reality that would hit them in near future. We need more students who had an opinion of their own. As well as the drive to make their voice count……
Dr Pagalavan,
May I know in your opinion where do you think is the best place to do undergraduate degree for MBBS?
Thanks.
Are you talking about Malaysian colleges? If so, the best is still the public universities: UM, UKM and USM. As for private unis: IMU and Monash.
What do you think of PMC Dr. Pagalavan?
Better to take the twinning programme. Their first few batches were good but the quality is dropping, probably due to poor quality of student intake
Is it possible to compare the education that Malaysian colleges offer with overseas ones?
Do you think the education that local MBBS students receive (in the 5 institutions above) are on par with overseas ones?
For UM, UKM and USM: Yes
For Monash : the exams are the same but definately not the teaching quality.
For IMU: not bad
Does this mean that entering one of those three local private universities would be better than going to Monash?
So would this mean that recent JPA scholars who got the matriculation scholarship (to continue to public U if get 4.0) are better off than the ones who got the Monash university scholarship?
Unfortunately YES but Monash Malaysia has one advantage of being recognised in Malaysia and N.Zealand. The JPA scholars who got matriculation is not guaranteed a place in medicine. It depends on their performance and availability of place in local U, plus the quota system.
In Australia and N.Zealand. Sorry, typo error
Hi Dr, but this isn’t very fair for the students who got higher number of A+ right… because the ones who got the scholarship to Monash and IMU are the ones who just missed an A+ while the ones who got matriculation are the ones who just got 8A+, or maybe less… tis unfair ):
What about IMU local, Dr?
Nothing is fair in Malaysia or in life. You just have to learn to live with it. IMU local programme is not recognised elsewhere. It is better to take their twinning programme. Generally IMU use to be OK but I realise the standards are also dropping, likely due to poor entry standards because of stiff competition from other colleges.
Hi Dr, but this isn’t very fair for the students who got higher number of A+ right… because the ones who got the scholarship to Monash and IMU are the ones who just missed an A+ and are really active students while the ones who got matriculation are the ones who just got 8A+, or maybe less… tis unfair ):
But why is it so ya actually? That Monash not so good..Is it that the teachers quality in the 3 public uni is better..?
What about IMU local, Dr? Better or not so good?
And about what about the IMU and PMC twinning… is it better to stay in local UM UKM USM?
Tq….
UM is almost 50 years old, UKM 30 years old and USM 20 years old. Each one of them has their own teaching hospital where all their lecturers practise medicine and teach students. This is the best scenario for any medical universities like in most other countries. The rest of the medical schools are just using the Ministry of Health hospitals for teaching. Thus, their lecturers are not allowed to practise medicine freeely in this hospitals. This makes it very difficult for the universities to recruit enough lecturers and to do research and develop their skills in clinical medicine. These MOH hospitals do not even have teaching rooms and space for the students to do their work, making the environment not condusive for learning, unlike the university hospitals ( please read my article under MMA column on ” Academicians vs Service providers: clash of the titans?”)
Doctor..
Then if like tis then how for us who get the Monash scholarship…. what can we do now that we going to go there anyway… 😦
If you are JPA sponsored, I would just take it and hope for the best.
Eh? Doctor i thought you are a profesor there at Monash… ?
I quit last year as I could not agree with the management. I felt that the university is cheating the people. They charge RM 90K per year but what teaching facilities and what are the number of academics do they have? Frankly, they only have 2 full time physician, 3 full time surgeons ( 2 are expats), 1 full time padiatrician, 1 psychiatrist, 1 GP, 1 Occupational Health and 1 O&G ( expat) for Year 3 -5!!!. The rest are part timers or hospital consultants who hardly spend much time with the students.
Dr, do u all have any comments on IMU teaching facilities and their academics? Are the IMU local MBBS graduates competitive enough to pass MRCP or any international medical exams?
Thanks =)
IMU was the first private medical school and they do have a good set of academics mainly retired top civil servants before. Generally IMU graduates were OK but recently I feel their quality is also deteriorating, likely due to competitiveness from other private colleges.
Dr.. i tot of doing foundation in CUCMS and then cont with their mbbs programme.. but with all of ur disscusions.. i am really really really confused.. Should i proceed with me plan or.. lol..im really confused.. Pls do help me
As far as I know, CUCMS is still under MMC’s watch
i’m in cucms..do medicine if you really wanna be a doctor..its really hard to survive in medicine now with all the issues..in cucms the problem we had is this hot apartment to live (VL) and what seems like a bad management..its not as flowery place as it looks at first..its just an ordinary2 college..no quality issues but the fee is expensive as hell even in here imo if you add the living cost etc..so much money for education that doesn’t pay later on..its not just education,its a career..it should give you some sort of ability to be support yourself later on..its hard to find a cheaper apartment to live too in cyberjaya..you will study hard day and night,and you cant have many distractions studying medicine such as money problems or relationship etc..you need to take care of that for yourself and ask if you can really let go not doing other stuff besides studying..you will drink coffee at night,sleep little and you might have health problems later on..you’re working hard and you’re the one paying these people a lot of money..its a shit time haha
Welcome to the world
ok.. im not saying that u r wrg dr,but setara rating shws that cucms is excellent.. my budget is kinda tight.. n i really want a good and affordable college to do mbbs.. u r older and wiser.. is thr any other options than cucms?? coz so far ppl recmd me cucms only..
So far there is not much issue about their teaching. The issue was about taking too many students than what they we allowed.
Setara rating is of no use. Some on the colleges under Setara rating is under review by MOHE.
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