One of the reason I published my books is to educate the younger generations and parents regarding the reality of being a doctor. Even up to this day, I still get questions after questions regarding many issues in the medical field which people do not seem to understand. Just 2 weeks ago, for the first time I saw a fresh medical graduate working as a pharmaceutical rep. Interestingly he is a JPA scholar. In one way I salute him for his courage of doing a sales job while waiting for Housemanship posting. He graduated from a local university in March this year and up to last week, he has not even been called for SPA interview. The chances are, you will be waiting for close to 6-8 months for your posting. This period will further increase when all remaining medical schools start to produce their graduates from this year onwards. The number of graduates will only increase further.
I had always said that you should never do medicine for wrong reasons. 2 days ago, there was an interesting article in TheGuardian (see below). It was a well written article which clearly said that parents should never force their children into medicine. I have been saying this for a long time but somehow our society are still ignorant. That’s why you are seeing more and more incompetent doctors, unable to handle stress, “manjanitis” etc etc. We have parents who write to newspapers for a grown up child ! How ambarassing can that be for the “doctor”? Recently , there was a mom who wrote to a newspaper complaining that his 30-year-old son(calculated based on her story) could not get into Master’s program? Seriously, a 30-year-old grown up guy should know how to take care of himself. Nothing comes easy in life. You fight for everything and definitely there will be ups and downs. Nothing comes on a silver plate. The society also still believes that specialist training is as easy as creating more post! Cannot get Master’s , so create more post-lah? This is exactly the same scenario that happened to medical education and what do you see now? Too many medical schools with products of questionable quality. We are talking about lives here !
My books are still available for those who are interested to buy. Those who intend to do medicine and parents should buy and read the books.
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You can still buy the books via the method mentioned in my blog post dated 15/04/2016. I am still in the process of getting it into the bookshops.
Forcing your child to become a doctor could be the worst parenting decision you make
A career is medicine is stressful enough for the doctors who see it as a calling. For those who do it because their parents forced them, it could be critical
Wednesday 8 June 2016 06.09 BST
There I was, almost at the end of the night, having spoken to a few hundred hand-picked, talented high school students about my life as a doctor. Their youth was no barrier to their determination to be the best – I met budding astronauts, focused scientists, concerned environmentalists, and as usual, a horde of kids who dreamed of becoming doctors.
The students asked penetrating questions about everything from the ethics of million-dollar drugs to whether children compromised one’s career. These were teenagers! With each question, my admiration grew and I briefly dreamed that one day, in my household, there might be such questions to replace, “Have you seen the remote?”
I was signing books when I noticed a girl, who hovered on the side, waiting till the crowd had cleared.
“I don’t know how to ask this without being rude,” she ventured, before my silence enabled her.
“My parents really want me to do medicine but I’m not interested. How do I say no?”
It was the curliest question of the night.
“I think I can get in but my heart is not in it.”
“It’s great that you recognise it,” I said. “Have you tried talking to your parents?”
“I’ve tried and tried, but they have invested their whole life in my brother and me.”
“What would happen if you said no?”
“They would be really disappointed in me. That would break my heart.”
And then:
“But if I did medicine, I wouldn’t be honest to myself. And I’d take the spot of someone who really wanted it.”
She faced a wicked dilemma: whether to obey the urging of her parents or rely on her own, admittedly young, instinct. A momentous decision hung in the air, the sort parents can help address, but of course, the parents were the problem. And though she relaxed at the opportunity to voice her dilemma, I knew that the knots in her stomach would return soon.
I wished that I could sweep away her problem; I wished I could convince her parents that a child of her poise and humility would do well in whatever she chose. I told her to see the school counsellor again and I reminded her to be true to herself but when she left, I felt hollow, musing whether she would one day be the troubled student or the depressed intern I encounter.
Although I don’t know her parents, I meet them regularly. I meet them at social events and medical talks. I meet them at seemingly benign movie nights and picnics when the conversation turns to medicine.
“He’s got the marks, he’s all set with the entrance test, all he needs is a coach for the interview,” a mother breathlessly explained. “Do you know anyone?”
“No,” I deadpan.
“I just want her to be happy,” says another. “You’re happy, aren’t you?”
“I am but she isn’t me.”
Another time an acquaintance of an acquaintance knocks on my door, a tired son in tow. “We want last-minute tips for his interview.”
Students pondering a career in medicine, I have always welcomed. Parents who do it on behalf of their child, I am increasingly wary of. The students are largely altruistic; the parents aspire to status, money and job security. I don’t blame them but what they don’t realise is that in the hyper-competitive world of medicine, even those with the marks and motivation battle to get in, so there is even less room for those with the marks but scant motivation.
Some years ago I interviewed a young man who was obviously bored, even in our eight-minute high-intensity interaction. His opening salvo: “Can I just tell you that I want to be an accountant?”
“Wrong interview then,” I said lightly.
“I got the marks and my dad made me come. My dad is a doctor.”
“Did you tell him you aren’t interested?”
“No point, but I hope to fail the interview.”
I was left reeling but I was told that no selection process can filter out pushy parents; we wait for the students to find their voice.
Doctors are often asked if they would recommend the profession to their children. A survey of American doctors by the Physicians Foundation found that more than half say no, citing the triumph of paperwork and bureaucracy over time with patients.
When I talk to my Australian colleagues, I hear similar sentiments. Doctors sign up to help people but are faced with growing mountains of paperwork, mindless compulsory modules and maddening meetings to satisfy performance indicators that make a mockery of patient-centred care.
Many doctors are burnt out, bullied and demoralised. Work is stressful and demanding. A 2013 Beyond Blue survey put paid to the notion that these are merely the groans of a self-indulgent, richly rewarded profession. Australian doctors have a substantially higher rate of high psychological distress compared to the general population and other professionals. An astonishing quarter have considered suicide, double the comparable figure in other professionals.
These figures are not just statistics – they are my friends and my residents. My professional landscape is strewn with doctors in trouble with alcohol and prescription drugs, doctors with broken relationships, sick of work and exhausted at home. I attend funerals and wonder how no one ever knew and I learn that no one is immune.
How doctors treat doctors may be medicine’s secret shame
And yet, I love being a doctor because there is something undeniably special and enormously satisfying about helping people at their sickest and lowest. Amid the gratuitous noise and politics, every day the door in clinic still closes and it’s just the patient and you. And you can’t help realising just how sacrosanct is the trust invested in you and how extraordinary that a complete stranger might let you into the most intimate recesses of his life, hoping that you might just mend the most fragile parts.
A friend who left medical school to pursue a lauded career in banking thirsts to this day to hear my ordinary stories about patient care. He says he’s comfortable but misses the sense of calling. This is something I have heard said many times.
A career in medicine has vast and varied promise but the happiest doctors I know have narrowed it down to one thing: medicine not merely as work but a calling. This doesn’t melt away the challenges but it puts them in perspective. On good days, it creates indelible memories; on bad days, it’s a handy shield.
If you are a parent and your child desperately wants to study medicine, the greatest favour you could do her is help her distinguish between a job and a vocation. On the other hand, if your reluctant child has a parent who desperately wants him to study medicine, step back for a moment and consider the statistics. Forcing your child to become a doctor might turn out to be the worst parenting decision you ever made.
I believed that many private medical schools are having a hard time filing up the numbers.
Yes they are, but not from a lack of parents with money. It’s the minimum criteria that is blocking many.
The article is from UK, and I think we can guess who the majority of “parent driven” students are. If they have a problem with “qualified but no interests” doctors, imagine what kind of problem we are having with “not qualified and no interest” graduates.
im a 4th year med student with average performance but i have an extremely relaxed personality. Will this character of mine allow me to survive housemanship and beyond? i find that this personality of mine often leads me to making incorrect decisions, i just hope taking this course isnt one of them.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Pagalavans Avatar wrote:
> Pagalavan Letchumanan posted: “One of the reason I published my books is > to educate the younger generations and parents regarding the reality of > being a doctor. Even up to this day, I still get questions after questions > regarding many issues in the medical field which people do not see” >
pulaukevin, how do you get into med school? if u r using the back door, I urge u to quit before u obtain the license to kill…
I cannot understand the problem of waiting for a intern post. In the 90’s there was a waiting period of up to 6 months for an m o post (coming back from overseas). As long as there will be a post after the wait, that should be o k. I think kkm still guarantees a posting or am I mistaken.
This is not MO post but HO post. Without housemanship they will not get full registration and everything else including postgraduate training will be delayed. Furthermore only HO post is guaranteed , not MO post as almost all MO post are full.
The difference is, in the past, waiting for registration with MMC and a MO job is because of red tape and some inefficiency. The jobs were all there waiting.
The wait is now because there is NOT enough HO jobs. However, since it is a rotating position, you will definitely get a HO job, once people rotate out of the job and free positions.
The MO jobs however, is fixed job, and only freed if someone resigns or retire. Almost all MO jobs are now filled. Without creating more jobs, the MoH cannot take in more doctors. And there is a freeze in creation of new jobs by JPA.
The MoH may have to STOP taking in new MO who are completing their 2 year HO. Which means after the 2 years HO, you will not get a letter of appointment into the service and MO job, and you have to stop working. Since this is often linked with MMC full registration, you may also be delayed in getting full Registration.
This is obviously not an acceptable situation, so MoH is looking at ways to overcome this problem.
Once they are interns, kkm will have to continue employing them or is internship a contract post now.
Eventually, it will not be guaranteed.As a housemen, you are still under probation.
Dr Pagalavan,
I’m a student graduating after completing my pre-u (MUFY) recently. I wish to pursue MBBS in the future, I had reached the SPM minimum qualification and now waiting for my pre-u result to be released. But I have questions and doubts in applying for med unis. After reading several of your posts, I’ve realized that doctors in Malaysia are facing crisis like over saturated graduates and insufficient horsemanship posting slots. As such, there are some surrounding me suggesting me to go for China med uni’s MBBS (Zhe Jiang) which is not recognized by MMC. Hope Dr give me some advise on this matter about whether studying abroad or locally ( based on current situation) , thanks a lot
Why bother going to an unrecognised university?
Very GOOD way to screw up your own life by enrolling into unrecognised U.
Dr Pagalavan, I’m a student waiting for my pre-u results recently after completing my pre-u (MUFY). I wish to pursue MBBS in the future but I’m having questions and doubts for it. After reading several of your posts, I’ve know that doctors in Malaysia are over saturated and there are few horsemanship posting slots available as well as other matters. As such, some around me suggests me to go for MBBS in China( ZJU) *said to be internationally recognized *which is not recognized by MMC, but I’m feared not able to come back after graduating. So, which in this case will be a wiser choice, studying abroad or local? Hope Dr shed some light on this matter, thanks
There is no such thing as an “internationally recognised” medical degree. I cannot understand why anyone will bother to study in China (where almost nobody use English), when there are so many local med schools.
hi Dr Pagalavan, i want to ask u a question…..i’m a spm leaver n i’ve got an offer to study in foundation in pharmacy at UIA…….my family n relatives told me to stick with pharmacy but i want to change my course from pharmacy to medicine.
I’ve read ur articles and ur books and i understand the realities of being a dr…yet i still want to become one.
So, according to this crisis Malaysia’s facing such as over saturated med graduates, is it still OK for me to pursue in medicine? or should i just futher my studies in pharmacy instead? [based on ur opinion]
I can’t decide for you. You need to decide for yourself!
Be a pharmacist then fight with doctors for DS!
pharmacists are also saturated
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My daughter is in the final year doing Medicine. in AIMST , Kedah.. Can she apply to do housemanship in Singapore or Australia. Pls advise.
Definately NO! Her degree is not recognised in both these countries
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Dear Dr Pagalavan
I have been working as a Medical officer for the past 1 year in Malaysia , if i would like to venture into Ministry of higher education to be a lecturer in Universities in Malaysa.Will it affect my APC ? will i be still able to renew my APC as usual if i manage to get a position in a Teaching University
Regards
Kris
At the moment , you can continue to renew your APC.