The government recently had slashed the 2015 budget by at least RM 5.5b, mainly operational budget. I am not sure whether it will affect civil servant promotions for this year as promotions involves a lot of money. Generally, during any economic recession, promotions will be postponed. If the oil prices do not increase or the ringgit falls further, we may be in for a roller coaster ride this year. FYI, Petronas contributes at least a third of our government’s revenue! The government has also started to charge maximum full rate for any foreigners seeking treatment in government hospitals/clinics. This is also to generate more income for the government as they become desperate for money.
In my previous blog post, I mentioned that the waiting period for Housemanship stands at about 6 months as of end of last year. The waiting time is expected to get longer this year as more and more medical schools starts to produce their graduates. However, from March 2015(hopefully), MOH will be introducing what is known as e-Houseman! NO, IT IS NOT Housemen working from HOME for heaven’s sake but a way to shorten the waiting period (see below).
MOH will be introducing an on-line housemanship placement portal for newly graduated doctors. Fresh graduates will first need to apply for Temporary Registration with MMC after which they need to apply to SPA/JPA. Once you are accepted into civil service, you will be given a password and user ID to log into ” e-Housemen”. This portal will list all the available post in various hospitals and the vacancies. The waiting period will also be mentioned. It will be available online twice a month.
Thus, it is entirely up to you on where you want to do your housemanship. You decide based on vacancies and waiting period. If you decide to choose the popular hospitals aka Klang Valley, the waiting period will be even longer. It will subsequently affect your seniority in civil service. I hope this system will work flawlessly but as usual, I am a bit skeptical about it. How the system works will depend on how fast the system is updated by the respective hospitals/MOH. Human and system errors can occur.
ON another note, this will eventually overcome the maldistribution issues between rural and urban hospitals as well as East and West Malaysia. If you want a job early, go where the vacancy is. Similar situation will occur when the MO post becomes full. As I said many years ago, as the situation becomes tight, maldistribution will be solved.
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e-houseman bantu graduan pilih penempatan dengan cepat (http://bm.therakyatpost.com/berita/2014/12/19/e-houseman-bantu-graduan-pilih-penempatan-dengan-cepat)
KUALA LUMPUR, 19 Disember:
Kementerian Kesihatan Malaysia (KKM) hari ini melancarkan sistem penempatan graduan perubatan yang dikenali sebagai e-houseman, bagi memperbaiki sistem sedia ada.
Menterinya, Datuk Seri Dr S. Subramaniam berkata, sistem itu yang akan mula beroperasi pada 15 Mac 2015, memberi peluang kepada graduan perubatan untuk memilih hospital pilihan mereka.
“Kami mengenal pasti kelemahan dalam sistem penempatan graduan perubatan sebelum ini dan melihat sistem baru yang diperkenalkan ini lebih telus dan mudah.
“Ini sekaligus mengikis persepsi orang ramai terhadap kementerian yang kononnya memilih kakitangan dalam proses penempatan,” katanya selepas merasmikan Persidangan Pengurusan KKM di Hotel Royal Chulan, hari ini.
Beliau berkata, graduan perubatan yang berdaftar dengan Suruhanjaya Perkhidmatan Awam (SPA) dan mendapat sijil pendaftaran sementara daripada Majlis Perubatan Malaysia (MMC), layak menggunakan sistem ini dan proses seterusnya dilaksanakan serta diluluskan KKM.
Tambahnya, proses ini hanya memakan masa 10 minit, jika graduan sudah memilih penempatan mereka dan bersetuju dengan syarat ditetapkan.
Katanya lagi, sebelum ini proses penempatan memakan masa lama dan kerjasama dengan SPA serta MMC dapat mempermudahkan semua urusan.
“Sebelum ini, KKM akan memilih penempatan untuk graduan dan kini mereka boleh memilih sendiri, sekiranya ada kekosongan. Permohonan itu akan dibuka dua kali sebulan dan prosesnya adalah mudah,” katanya.
Dalam perkembangan lain, Subramaniam berkata, persidangan bertemakan ‘Towards a seamless organisations’ bertepatan usaha mentransformasikan sektor kesihatan, bagi memberi perkhidmatan lebih cekap dan berkesan.
Seramai 229 peserta menyertai persidangan itu, bagi menambah pengetahuan dalam aspek pengurusan menyeluruh, untuk mendokong visi dan misi KKM, selaras peranannya sebagai peneraju perkhidmatan kesihatan negara.
Read more: http://bm.therakyatpost.com/berita/2014/12/19/e-houseman-bantu-graduan-pilih-penempatan-dengan-cepat/#ixzz3PpH9dGQp
Just 10 mins for emplacement of interns under e-Houseman system
Posted on December 20, 2014, Saturday
KUALA LUMPUR: The Health Ministry yesterday launched the cutting edge ‘e-Housemen’ system for emplacement of medical graduates during their housemanship.
Its minister Datuk Seri Dr S. Subramaniam saw the new system would expedite processing of housemanship applications from one month currently to just 10 minutes.
“Before this system, medical graduates had to register with the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC), Public Services Commission (PSC) and the Health Ministry.
Now they just have to register with MMC only.
“After registration with MMC, they will be given a temporary registration certificate following which they can use the ‘e-Housemen’ system that will be operational from March 15,” he told a press conference after opening Health Ministry’s Administrative Conference and Innovation Night 2014 here yesterday.
Elaborating on the system, Dr Subramaniam said medical graduates could choose which hospital they wanted to do their internship and if there were no vacancies, they could defer it until that particular hospital had an opening.
He added that system would also put an end to perceptions that the housemanship system was bogged with bureacracy and favouritism.
The three-day conference themed ‘Towards a Seamless Organisation’ which began yesterdaY is being attended by 229 senior officers of the ministry and hospitals. — Bernama
Read more: http://www.theborneopost.com/2014/12/20/just-10-mins-for-emplacement-of-interns-under-e-houseman-system/#ixzz3PpHQMw8e
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Let’s hope it works out the”kinks”in the existing system
Hmm. Doc, what if the housemanship system were to change into a single-posting training with a slightly longer training period? Where housemen would only practice in the field of their choice (depending on availability) and not rotate through all the other major specialties, then progressing subsequently onto MOship and specialist level on the same field?
There will be no turning back and they’d need to decide early on what specialty they want to work in, otherwise they’ll drop back down on a waiting list to start working up from a houseman of a particular field if they decide to quit. Would that help with the overload? And also produce more specialist equally over various fields?
That’s the american system where before entering medicine, you have already got a basic degree. The healthcare system is also different. In most other countries, the housemanship is compulsory rotation based posting in all major departments.
So doc, is the US’s system better? Do we need change in the law itself? Going through all postings and coming out half past six jack-of-all trade ain’t good right?
Healthcare system in each country is different. In malaysia, after your housemanship, you will be thrown to klinik kesihatans or district hospitals where there are NO specialist. How are you going to handle that if you do not know anything about any other field. I have seen people trained in US who struggle when they come back to Malaysia.
allisterbahRetsilla,
before the glut of Housemen, the current system produces some of the best medical officers in the world.
they serve tiredlessly in district hospitals;
they manage medical, surgical & obstetrics emergencies efficiently.
these group of people will become all-rounded consultants.
they are the “jack of all trade & master of all”
US-based system is not applicable Boleh-land.
you are the half-pass-six here
Hmm. Doc, what if the housemanship system were to changed into just a single-posting training with a slightly longer training period? Where housemen would train only in the field of their choice (depending on availability) and not rotate through all the other major specialties, then progressing subsequently onto MOship and post-grad/specialist level on that same field?
There’ll be no turning back and they’d need to decide early on what specialty they want to work in, otherwise they’ll drop back down on a waiting list to apply as a new houseman again if they decide to quit/switch fields. Would that help with the overload? And also produce more specialist equally over various fields?
Furthermore, it is part of medical act by law
Hi doctor, I have gained a lot from your blog, thank you so much but I do have some questions to ask from your opinion
I am almost finishing my housemanship currently, however, I am thinking of applying internal medicine residency program in US ever since started housemanship, one of the reason is I am a Canadian graduate which have higher chance of entering US training. But, I am also a Jpa scholar with 10y bond contract. The problem I am facing now is difficult in concentrating on my coming usmle exam as it required excellent marks for the matching program. I have heard that I need complete another 2y of compulsory service before getting APC.
Questions are:
– should I quit after housemanship and concentrate on my usmle exam and other preparation for it (I.e elective posting in US) ?
– if the answer is not to quit, are there any posts in KKM or MOH that I can apply so that I have more time to study and do preparation for the exam? I don’t mind salary being low just more time to study for exam.
– what will happen to the Jpa bond if I quit after housemanship?
Thank you in advanced for your answer
1.you should work hard for your country. so don’t quit.
2. confucious says, ” i hear & i forget, i see & i remember, i do & i understand”.
if you want to be a surgeon, work in a surgical department.
if you want to be a cardiologist, work in a cardiac department.
if you want to be a psychiatrist, work in a psychiatric department.
if you simply want more time to study, work in a library.
3.if you quit after housemanship, you will have to pay the penalty. otherwise,the government will sue you & your guarantors.
Since you are bonded for 10 years, you will need to pay the penalty if you quit civil service. You need to check your contract to see the amount. If you want time to study, go to klinik kesihatan. Don’t quit as you don’t even know whether you will get a residency post
LTY,
I disagree with Jimmy Lee. Rather then thinking about your country you should think of what is best for you.
The USMLEs are tough and need a lot of work and indeed to be placed in popular residency programs one needs to have perfect score. But rest assured the longer you wait the harder it gets because the less you remember the ‘CRAP cycle’ and the number of ATP’s it produces. Also once you specialize you will have no interest in any other specialty, ie if you are in internal medicine you will not want to restudy all of OBGYN.
While serving your country is noble, you are better off serving your country when you are well trained in the US as a subspecialist and bring home skills not available in this country. There are too many general doctors nowadays anyway less one of you won’t really make a difference. My point being you are better off being a cardiologist who can do TAVI’s then a generalist who’s best effort is diuresis. You can then train the future generation of doctors in Malaysia if your intentions remain noble. (I doubt it will)
Or just leave the country and become american
My suggestion: If you need income –> Go for less stressful jobs ie klinik kesihatan and focus your efforts on the usmles. If you do not need income, resign and focus on your usmles. Get out ASAP.
Talk to jpa and repay your bond. they allow slow installments but it will be affordable.
Sat for the USMLEs in 2006 – 2007, have gone through residency, fellowship and super fellowship in the US. I completely agree with EVERYTHING that was said by pat dave.
I believe the Americans have realised their mistake in pushing for super sub-specialisation and not enough generalists who can see the patient as a whole person, not a blocked LAD or ingrown left big toenail.
As for scholarship holders, honour your bonds. For potential scholarship recipients, if you think you don’t want to comply with the bond, don’t accept the scholarship. That is the honourable thing to do.
tivark,
you impress me ! from USMLE to super fellowship in such a short period.
but it all sound very familiar, remind me of this guy:
http://www.thestar.com.my/story/?file=%2F2012%2F8%2F15%2Fnation%2F11860397&sec=nation
he even got TV3 to interview him:
@jimmy lee
Residency to super fellowship in 7 years, not doable?
That’s what actually I’m thinking about.
The major reason why I wanted to go US is not about income, it’s about my dream to be a specialist. By that I mean, I don’t want any unnecessary waste of time, I’m somewhat regret to have come back and do my housemanship though I still learn something from it, but majority of my time has been wasted.
I’ll definitely find out about JPA bond.
Also, I’ve found out working in ED in our hospital is actually not so bad considering I still have sometime for myself to study, I will try it first.
superfellowships are by no means necessary.
plenty of malaysians here in the states that spent 3 – 4 years in residency and later practice as consultants, or subspecialize with fellowships for an additional 1 – 3 years. in fields like cardiology, superfellowships (EP, interventional, heart transplant, imaging) has become somewhat common.
generally, its 4 – 6 years to consultancy is not the exception, its the norm.
Dear LTY,
It is good that you have decided to do the USMLEs
However do remember, trying is not enough. You have to decide to do it and succeed, especially when you are working, because it is too easy to give up when the going gets tough.
Throw in the money for the exam, pick a date, no turning back. Loosing half a thousand usd would be a great motivator to you.
Good luck.
Pat Dave
Sharing information from UK.
We are not alone
Foundation programme for 2015 is oversubscribed by 399 applications
Authors: Abi Rimmer
Publication date: 21 Jan 2015
The UK Foundation Programme Office (UKFPO) has received 399 more applications than the number of places available for the 2015 foundation programme.
On 5 March all fully eligible applicants will be ranked in score order and the top 7109 will be allocated to foundation schools. The remaining applicants will be placed on the reserve list. The UKFPO said that the dates of the reserve list batch allocations will be published on its website shortly.
The UKFPO said that the number of applicants on the reserve list was expected to fall slightly between now and the date of the primary list allocations in March as a result of candidates failing finals or withdrawing from the process.
It was announced in January last year that the 2014 foundation programme was oversubscribed by 293 applications.[1] In June of that year the UKFPO announced that all doctors on the reserve list had been placed.[2] [3]
Commenting on the oversubscription to the 2015 foundation programme, Derek Gallen, UKFPO’s national director, said, “Despite this being the biggest reserve list since the programme was first oversubscribed, I would like to reassure applicants that to date all eligible applicants have been placed in jobs by the start of the programme in August, and I anticipate that this year will be no different.”
The UKFPO said that applicants who were placed on the reserve list would receive support from their local medical school and would be kept fully informed regarding when subsequent allocations would take place.
The 2013 programme was oversubscribed by almost 500 graduates. But in the end, all got their postings.
I had heard about this from medical students doing their posting with me. I assured them that this is no cause for alarm or concern. The oversubscription number of 399 amounts to just 5% of total applicants. The argument can be made that medical students in the bottom 5% of such a large cohort (7,500) are not fit for purpose. Unless you’re a substandard candidate, the 5% oversubscription issue is a non-issue.
And before anyone asks; no, I do not believe that there is ever a year group in any medical school where everyone is good enough to pass. For that matter, this applies to any cohort of candidates sitting a post grad exam like MRCP. For any reliable system of quality assurance, there must be a percentage of failures. Human nature dictates that performance and ability subtend a normal distribution. There will always be a bottom 5% and those in this subgroup are rightly failed.
Hi Dr. Paga,
What about contract houseofficer? Do they need to go through similar process or will there be a different system altogether?
Thanks
Likely same but contract officers cannot choose
Burhanudin Basu
agreed that UK HO is oversubscribed yet a UKFPO National Director, Professor Derek Gallen, said:
“Despite this being the biggest reserve list since the programme was first oversubscribed, I would like to reassure applicants that to date all eligible applicants have been placed in jobs by the start of the programme in August, and I anticipate that this year will be no different.”
The UKFPO will publish information on the reserve list allocations in the coming months, and students on the reserve lists will be supported and kept up to date by their local medical schools. read the following article… There should not be unnecessary panic
http://www.nhsemployers.org/news/2015/01/ukfpo-confirm-over-subscription-numbers-for-2015-entry
yang yinha
Greetings Dr,
In your opinion, where are the hospitals with high incoming patients in which house officers can get the most exposure and training?
All state hospitals
Sharing a news
http://www.thestar.com.my/Opinion/Letters/2015/01/31/In-praise-of-medical-officers/
Reminds me of my good old times!
Hi, Dr.Pagalavan.
I read your articles and I would like to ask your opinion in my situation.
I’m not Malaysian, but now I’m planning to enroll into International Medical University in Malaysia then want to be a doctor in Malaysia in the future.
I was told by IMU students that it’s difficult to undergo housemanship even Malaysians are on the waiting list, and was also told by IMU office that I can’t undergo housemanship in Malaysia even if I graduate Malaysian medical university because I’m foreigner.
Can you tell me if it is impossible for foreigners to undergo housemanship even if I graduate Malaysian medical university, or it is difficult to do it?
Thank you in advance.
Malaysia DO NOT Provide Housemanship for foreigners. Previously they do give to those who are married to Malaysian but even that is now in limbo.
Dr. Pagalavan,thank you for your prompt reply. May I ask some further question?
1, Is there no ways to work as a doctor in Malaysia for foreigners? I mean, when I have a medical license of Japan then if Malaysia government admit, I think I can work in Malaysia with some restrictions. But I would like to work without no restriction. Isn’t it possible for foreigners?
2,Can I get medical license after graduate Malaysian medical university without housemanship? Or can I get it after accomplish housemanship?
Please tell me your opinion.
At the moment ministry of health do not recruit any foreigners anymore. However some university hospitals on IJN may employ foreigners as service MOs only. You may see some doing Masters program but they have to go back once they complete the program.
No, you can’t get full MMC registration without doing housemanship.
you say ” The government has also started to charge maximum full rate for any foreigners seeking treatment in government hospitals/clinics. ”
Where is the link of this news ?
The circular and guide, as thick as a book has already been sent to all districts and states. Doctors are being briefed in turns. Worst part, all illegals must be notified to immigration and any treatment without payment, the doctors have to pay! Later another circular says that infectious disease are exempted.
Current rate for foreigners attending a tertiary ED in australia is AUD550. This is the minimum fee for attending. Not including all the stuff that gets ordered and the consults. That’s why travel insurance is mandatory for a visa.
Guys, I am not discouraging you guys to be evil by not serving the country. I have left Msia for 10 years and earned my fellowship. I have assets worth more than 1 million aussie dollar and I am now going to mission to help the poor. No point fighting with the system in Malaysia, i agree, you choose what is best for you. Give a good life to your parents, siblings, and children, all in all you are still doing service to the poor by going to poor nation be it Malaysia or others. Don’t deal with the arrogant authority that prioritise only the “superior race”, get out of the country while you still can, don’t fight with the “superior” race because you will never win and you will end up being called racist. Let the “superior race” be the head of department and etc and nobody trust them. only when we leave massively will the authority take our message clearly. The grass is really greener outside and they appreciate you more and no point staying in Malaysia with the glut of doctors now. If you still want to stay in Malaysia yes it is your choice, but don’t regret 10 years later when you finally make up your mind but you have to start doing your entrance exam like USMLE, but we have already earned our fellowship and you have to start all over again. Leave while you still can :). I got a lot of “junior” who are senior consultant back in Russia/Egypt/India, leave while you are still young before it get too late like them and have to start all over again. We all know what is going to happen to Malaysia in a few years time, or sooner – rampant corruption, racist, riot, terrorist and etc…leave guys, out of good will i am saying this, for the sake of your children:)
IF on government scholarships, then they either have to serve or pay up. Those who are on FAMA, in most cases, can do whatever they wish.
im on government scholarship………i cant leave d country
You are right and many are planning to do so. That’s why I repeatedly tell them not to do medicine if you intend to migrate.
Dr Paga,
my niece is now doing a degree course in bachelor of medical sceince (BMedsc)(Honour) but does not intend to complete her MBBS (completed her 3rd year) as she does not like the work of a doctor working in hospital. Is there any restriction to work overseas with this qualification ? Such as recognisation of her university status , registration with overseas’ authorities, etc?
Generally no issue for medical science courses
‘Overseas’ is a vague word. If you are referring to work in places like UK, Australia, NZ, generally you will need a job offer to be eligible for a work visa. Getting a job offer with a general degree like B Med Sc is extremely unlikely.
If you are referring to migration, then to apply for a PR you need to have a profession in a list of shortages. Again, a general degree like B Med Sc will not lead to registration in a profession, a basic requirement to be recognised as a professional.
Paga is only partly right. To have a reasonable chance of working ‘overseas’, you need to have a professional qualification that is recognised and in demand. But with the exception of Medicine.
You left at the right time. But things were different 10yrs ago. Now its close to impossible to get a job overseas with a medical degree…unless yr degree is from one of those elite countries. But u still might be able to get a job overseas with a any other degree.
Can i open my own clinic with mrcp title instead of family medicine in future?
This?
MRCP does not mean anything if you do not finish your gazettement.
hi. I am interested in the industry of healthcare. can I ask u a few questions?
1. what do you think of the job opportunities of a biomedical engineer. do you see them often in the hospitals?
2. what do you think of the future of nanomedicine?
3. normally. who sets up a drug company? a doctor or a scientist?
4. if I managed to become a surgeon at overseas. what will I be if I decided to come back to work in Malaysia? can I start straight away in private? or do I have to work few yeas for the government 1st? n will I be working as a normal UD41 medical officer or a continue my job as a surgeon?
thank you so much in advance
1) They don’t work in hospitals!
2) not in this country
3) never a doctor
4) That depends on year of service overseas etc
hi dr.paga. Have you work together with some scientists, those academic doctor who got their phD before?
do they get paid well?
the pay is the same as a consultant doing clinical work. FYI, doctors rarely become scientist!There are doctors who do clinical research which is different than those who do basic research.
I am thinking of doing the less popular Master programs…
like Blood Transfusion, Rehab Medicine, Nuclear Medicine….
Was told the less popular one get better opportunity to get promoted to JUSA as the quota is limited.
Hospital Management… Medico legal Specialist also in great demand in Ministry.
There are also talks on the proposal of giving 1-2 days off for clinical specialists to do locum consultation in private.
What do you think of that? Looks like the clinical specialists will always be the winners…from Gastro Medicine till now the Endo Sx
I don’t think there is a Master’s program for Blood Transfusion?
Promotion of JUSA depends on availability of post. So, the less the number of people the better the chance of being promoted. It also depends on the financial status of the government.
Government doctors can do locum in private after office hours. The proposal to give 1-2 days off will not work.
Does JUSA get free national car?free business flight ticket? 2 yearly HandPhone Allowane rm2k?
Haha, it’s not free. The car belongs to the government for official use only and will have to be returned once you retire. No such thing as free business flight tickets. Only if you are going for official meetings. Handphone allowance is given for official hand phone calls only , from U54 onwards.
Is it true that Nwadays the trend is that doctor wan to stay with gov because opening own clinic means lesser money compared to even the houseofficers?
yes
dear Dr Pagalavan,
Can I join your posts again because I need your advice. I have MD from Russian University ( level 7 by assessment MQRC ) and my nationality is Russian as well. Sept 2014- July2015 internship in Pediatrics in Russia and 1 year of work outside my country through registration in medical counsil.
We have other system in medical practice that make difficulties to apply for practice abroad. But I still try to find solution. For example internship year in most countries means every 3 months in different departments like surgery, internal medicine, gyn, etc.
My practice right now related only Pediatrics in different departments.
In my almost 2 years practice I following educational programme – all books required in UK , books preparation for their exams.
I ask MRCP office about this situation and their reply …
‘’Dear Doctor
As all assessments are conducted in English, the Royal Colleges of Physicians advise candidates that in order to be sufficiently prepared to sit the MRCP(UK) Diploma, their English language ability should be equivalent to International English Language Testing System (IELTS) Level 7.5. However, candidates do not need to have taken IELTS or any other language examination, to sit the MRCP(UK) Diploma.
Candidates for the MRCP(UK) Part 1 Examination must have had at least 12 months’ experience in medical employment by the date of the examination, i.e. must have completed Foundation Year 1 or equivalent;
Foundation year 1 it is mean that after graduation you have to complete 1 year in different departments at hospital in UK.’’
In many countries exist PLAB 1 and 2 UK exams and MRCP ( 3 parts). What is difference between them? Ireland medical consil required at least 1 year of intership and next step – to pass their exam.
I need to choose right way to continue my practice and then job on the base I have. Sometime really feel hopeless .
Thank you for attention. Awaiting your response.
Kind regards.
Dr. E.A.
PLAB is an exam for you to be able to apply for internship post in UK or rather a temporary GMC registration. MRCP is an entry exam to specialist training.
Why do you want to go practice outside of Russia?
The Plab is a test of English and medical knowledge, for registration to practice in the UK. The MRCP is a postgraduate qualification, which is used as an entry requirement into higher medical (as in internal medicine) training. To have any reasonable chance of passing these exams the level of English must be pretty good, and they specified IELTS Band 7.5 minimum, although they did not specify that is needed to sit. If your command of English is lower than that, you will have a low chance of passing, if nothing else, due to communication difficulties.
Somewhat ironical, as many EU doctors with bad English are allowed to work in the UK!
Yes it is extremely frustrating to see Polish graduates getting priorities over Asian UK trained doctors. Well the situation is no different in Australia. So many half cooked Irani, Iragi/ Middle Doctors in Australia these days. Geez.
Enjoyed your articles tremendously. Take a look at the Star today on problems that the new system for houseman placement is creating.
[…] doctors at their maximum capacity from next year onwards. I understand that they have started the e-housemen […]
Good afternoon Dr. Paga. May I know what is the expected waiting time with the new e houseman system for local graduates?
3-6 months and even longer…
4- 6months depending on where you apply for your housemanship via e-housemen system
First is to get interview with SPA … if not the waiting period will be reaching one year..
Waiting for offer letter from SPA at the moment. Can’t enter the system without it.
good luck and continue waiting… u miss august intake for HO ?
I miss the August induction. Currently waiting probably for October induction if I am able to get the offer letter before the system open at 7th September.
Dear Dr Pagalavan,
First of all, many thanks to your insightful posts and comments! I find it very useful and helpful. I am hoping to get your opinion regarding this matter.
I have just graduated with MBBS(Hons) from an Aus university and am currently pursuing BMedSc while waiting for housemanship. And I have just received news that I’ve passed the SPA interview. I am finishing the degree in 2 months time, and I am not quite sure how soon the e-housemanship portal will be opened.
My point is this, for how long/how many times will I be able to defer for the housemanship? How long will the SPA interview result be valid? If I defer for the first time, will the code given to me be able to be used for the second round of HO application?
Sounds like Monash Malaysia, who have been advising their graduates to do the B Med Sc while waiting for Housemanship.
Passing the SPA interview just means you can start applying for MMC provisional registration, and queue for Housemanship. Depending on the chosen hospitals, the waiting list will still be a few months, even up to 9 months. You have plenty of time to graduate. There is no need to “defer” Housemanship.
Why do you need to defer? The waiting time for housemanship from the time you decide on ehousemen, is about 6-8 months. So, you have ample time to finish your biomed.
Dear Sir,
Is the housemanship allocation based purely on a “first come first serve” basis? Would they consider your undergraduate grades? Or would this only be important when you are applying for your speciality training? Have you written a blog about this too (I apologise beforehand if you had)?
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Dear Sir,
I have read from some of your posts and the MMC website on Full Registration with/without condition, that it may be possible to be exempted from Housemanship subject to MMC evaluation committee approval, if an overseas medical graduate has at least 3 years previous working experience.
Does this ruling apply to MBBS graduates from India who wish to stay back there to gain clinical experience?
MMC do not recognised housemanship in India. Usually housemanship exemption is given after 5 years or working. But if they recognise housemanship in the country you graduate, exemption is possible.
Thank you for your prompt reply.
I am inquiring about the working experience after finishing the 1 year internship in India and obtaining the MBBS. May I ask the whether the 5 years experience means working in a large hospital ?
Usually yes. But it is up to MMC. Furthermore jobs are limited for MOs now. High possibility that those who return from overseas may need to wait for long or go to rural areas.
Dear Sir,
Is the housemanship allocation based purely on a “first come first serve” basis? Would they consider your undergraduate grades? Or would this only be important when you are applying for your speciality training? Have you written a blog about this too (I apologise beforehand if you had)?
At the moment it is first come first serve and performance in interview. However, anything can change in the future.