My last article attracted a lot of debate in Facebook as well as a lot of “emotional” rants in the comment section. I will leave the emotional rant alone as people always get carried away with emotions and do not think rationally. Atrocities in this world will go on as long as people are emotional and do not use their brains to think and reason out.
One of the debate that took place in Facebook was about “Visiting Consultant” status in private hospitals. I wrote that Visiting consultants are not allowed to admit inpatients in any private hospitals anymore. This was told to me when we applied for our hospital’s license renewal 2 months ago. Following this, our central management had a meeting with CKAPS unit of MOH and we were informed of the following, which is still rather confusing at times.:
1) Visiting Consultants cannot be appointed for INPATIENT services if there is no resident specialist of the same speciality e.g: you can’t appoint a Visiting Urologist if you do not have a resident Urologist etc
2) However, Visiting consultants can run outpatient and daycare services
3) Visiting Consultants can see inpatients if the patient is referred by a resident consultant aka co-managed e.g: resident orthopaedic surgeon referring to visiting plastic surgeon etc
4) Even if a Visiting consultant is appointed for INPATIENT services where there are resident consultants: the hospital MUST make sure that the consultant is “readily available” at all time! The definition of “readily available” is not clear. It basically means that the consultant must be able to attend the case as soon as possible when called.
5) The hospital MUST clearly differentiate between Visiting and Resident Consultants! From the conversation that I had with a ministry official, a resident consultant is defined based on their “Tempat Amalan Utama” in their APC. BUT hospitals may have different way of defining a “resident” consultant. Thus, it is still not clear.
6) Maternity centres must have Resident Paediatrician and Anaesthetist.
Basically, the ministry is concerned about patient safety as what happened a hospital in Seremban. Under the PHFSA, MOH can come up with regulations which they think is important in protecting the public. Many will argue that time taken for a visiting consultant and resident consultant in attending to the patients will be almost the same, especially after office hours. Yes, I must agree that after office hours, it might be the same but it does make a difference during office hours. A resident is always there during office hours from at least 8am-6pm. The resident is also committed to the hospital (as he does not practise anywhere else)and have to take the responsibility and can always ask for help from another resident consultant/colleague if he is held up in OT etc. However, a Visiting consultant may be running his “busy” clinic outside or even doing a surgery in another visiting hospital when the hospital calls for an emergency involving his inpatient. He won’t be able to attend immediately and the resident usually do not help out either (internal politics and medico-legal issue!), especially if you do not have a resident of same speciality. Thus, I feel that the MOH concern is reasonably valid.
Let me give you an example of a case that was settled out of court for an amount close to RM 3million, recently. A patient came to a hospital in preterm labour. The patient is being followed up by a consultant in his clinic outside. He was a visiting consultant in that hospital. The MO sees the patient in the emergency department and calls the consultant. The consultant was awaiting delivery of another patient in another hospital about 1 hour away. Thus, he asked the patient to be sent to that hospital. The resident consultants definitely will not take the case as they have never seen this patient before. Patient delivered along the way and the child ended up as CP. The case was brought to court and while awaiting a verdict which was definitely going for the patient, they decided to settle it out of court, worrying that the compensation amount might be higher.
So, the ministry is now putting the pressure on the private hospitals to fulfil these requirements. There are many ways you can go around it but “IF” anything happens, the hospital will end up being penalised. Thus, most private hospitals will take the safer approach of likely not appointing a Visiting consultant if the resident do not want to work along.
As for dispensing rights mentioned in my earlier article, Dato Kuljit wrote a letter to NST on 28/07/2014. IT was a well written letter about higher cost and inconvenience to patients if dispensing right are taken away from doctors. However, 3 subsequent letters in NST(HERE , HERE and HERE) rebuking his letter shows how much the pharmacist are pushing for it. I must admit that pharmacist are more united than doctors. I had given talks during their state AGM and I see a lot of them attending their AGM. How many attends MMA AGM, whether state or national level? How many are even members of an association, be it MMA (the official rep) or MPCN etc. Everyone just want to take care of themselves and their business and not bothered to stay together and fight. I have been active in MMA since I was a Housemen in Ipoh Hospital. We had fought for many issues concerning government service. Many do not know how MMA/SCHOMOS fought for whatever they are enjoying now but yet they just sit back and complain that MMA is doing nothing. I do not want to say how many trips I had to make to Putrajaya in submitting the paper on promotional pathway for doctors way back in 2005/2006(after a SCHOMOS workshop), something which I wrote on my ACER desktop computer with a floppy disc! I am happy it became a reality 4 years after I submitted it and I myself leaving the service. As a first step in improving the system, please join MMA and voice out your issues through the proper channel. The next step is to get involved actively in all activities of MMA and contribute effectively. If not, we are fighting a loosing battle!
Dr Krishna Kumar, our current MMA president also appeared in the press recently. You can read over HERE (below). He has also mentioned some of the issue that I had written in my earlier post.
Someone asked me about ASEAN trade agreement. For a start, you can read this agreement attached HERE. Basically, anyone from ASEAN countries can practise medicine here as long as he fulfils MMC registration criteria.
A heavy responsibility for Dr H. Krishna Kumar
The newly appointed president of the Malaysian Medical Association is keen to see the organisation maintain its principal aim of not compromising when it comes to the care of patients and the way doctors work.
Dr H. Krishna Kumar is a home-grown and trained doctor. He graduated from Universiti Malaya and has worked in two countries, five Malaysian states and many hospitals.
He is currently a maternal and foetal medicine specialist, and trains undergraduates, postgraduate and sub-specialty doctors.
Although he had worked as a consultant in the United Kingdom and was offered a permanent job there, he chose to come back to serve his country.
Dr Krishna, who hails from Seremban, is a proud alumnus of St Paul’s Institution.
He is quick to point out that his parents were his bedrock. They were both teachers who ingrained in him the importance of education.
“The Malaysian Medical Association (MMA) is the largest organisation that represents doctors in the country, thus, we have the largest voice among doctors in Malaysia.
“One of our core purposes is to ensure that health fees do not compromise the care of patients or doctors’ work quality.
“In order to build upon this principle, we lobby with the government to ensure that any policies that may affect doctors are addressed.
“The Health Ministry is more or less like our partner as they have similar principles,” explains Dr Krishna.
“For instance, the Malaysian Communications And Multimedia Commission with its Personal Data Protection Act (PDPA) – we are the only country that puts the health sector under this Act, while in Western countries like the UK, the health sector is excluded.
“The appearance of a third party and a new Act may in fact result in a breach of some of our ethical practices and affect the way we manage our patients.
“This is the reason why we do not support the PDPA and are in the midst of discussions with various ministers to try to get the health sector excluded.
“After all, data collected by the health sector is governed by our Medical Council and the Private Healthcare Act,” he says.
Dr Krishna also raised concerns over the current scenario where only doctors’ fees are being closely regulated, whereas there is little to no regulation of hospital fees.
“Unfortunately, this scenario is likely to go on indefinitely.
“If you look at the itemised bill from any hospital, you will find that the bulk of the bill comes from miscellaneous hospital charges while the professional charges (i.e. doctor’s fees) will only take up a small portion of it. Why this huge disparity?” he questions.
“As I do not work in the private sector, I have no vested interest in this, yet I am moved to take action because of my conscience,” he says.
Medicine is becoming a business
“If you look around, you will find that businessmen have realised that the healthcare industry is a highly profitable business.
“That is why you will find a lot of such clinics, as nowadays it’s all about making money,” Dr Krishna says.
“Gone are the days when the family doctor is in control. It has become increasingly difficult for family doctors to survive, especially in the face of numerous rules, regulations and acts that are being introduced that specifically target the health sector.
“All these are deterring independent practices as the family doctor will now have to contend with so many new conditions and administrative details that are necessary to ensure that they are not in violation of any of these new rules, regulations, and acts. They are slowly dying out as they have been squeezed at every turn,” he says.
“Every time a new ruling or law emerges, there will be a fee charged. Take the Personal Data Protection Act as an example – they would be charged RM600 a year for this. When there is an inspection of your clinic, it will cost between RM1,500-RM3,500.
“There is another charge for waste disposal; obviously, a clinic cannot throw its rubbish away in the ‘normal’ way.
“There is a charge for business practice registration, clinics that have radioactive materials orX-ray machines need to pay a fee, and employees at the clinic must also be qualified personnel.
“The cost of the fees and the increased salaries of hiring at least two to three qualified staff per shift would add to the running cost of owning and operating a clinic,” adds Dr Krishna.
“Take maternity centres as an example. In the past, you would have the option of going to a government hospital, private hospital or private maternity centres. The private maternity centre was more affordable than private hospitals, but the new rules now state that there must be a resident anaesthetist and a paediatrician.
“Since the majority of such maternity centres do not have a large volume of patients, they cannot comply with this new ruling, thus, many are forced to close down.
This new ruling also adds to the cost of having a baby as the charges will rise since there are now three professionals involved with delivering a baby instead of just the obstetrician (especially for normal deliveries),” shares Dr Krishna.
Modern challenges
Looking back over the years, Dr Krishna notes that there have been many changes in the medical practice. For one thing, medicine has become increasingly complex, with technology taking over many aspects.
Prices of drugs have also increased, and all these factors have led to an unfortunate increase in the cost of healthcare.
“The most obvious thing that has gone up is the expectations of our patients. For instance, in the past, deaths in the wards were often taken in stride, whereas nowadays, any death (even if it is a 90-year-old with all kinds of health complications) are often greeted in an accusatory manner,” states Dr Krishna.
“The Internet has also been both a boon and a bane for the health sector. Many patients often self-diagnose by surfing the Internet for information about their condition.
“The problem we often face is when they seek information from unreliable online sources as they will then approach their doctor with this dubious information and challenge them with it.
“This is a worrying trend as many patients often visit unreliable online sources, become convinced by it, visit a doctor, challenge their doctor, and refuse to believe their doctor even when asked to do their own research (but using reliable online sources that their doctor provides). Many such patients will ‘doctor-hop’ until they find one who will give them the diagnosis that they expect to hear,” he says.
Unhealthy developments
There are other problems that need to be addressed as well, including the shortage of places for new graduates who wish to do their housemanship.
This situation is not confined to just doctors, but is occurring across all the various disciplines in the healthcare industry, such as dietitians, radiographers, and so on.
“They are all affected because there has been a gross increase in the number of colleges providing the training. Unfortunately, there is also a shortage of good teachers, which has led to many universities or colleges producing inadequately trained professionals.
“This situation is especially bad as many of these graduates are then unable to find employment due to their inadequate training,” says Dr Krishna.
“This is the reason why at one time there was a shortage of nurses, yet at the same time there were 30,000 unemployed nurses, all of whom graduated from certain universities or colleges.
“In contrast, nurses that were trained by the Health Ministry can easily find a job anywhere, even in the Middle East. Similarly, I anticipate that this scenario will be repeated with the current batch of doctors who have graduated and/or are graduating,” he says.
President for a year
Dr Krishna is quick to admit that as the president of MMA, he has to shoulder a heavy responsibility.
He comments: “For most of us, this is not our primary job, rather it is a voluntary position. For an individual to take time off to run the association for a year is enough. To bear this burden for more than a year is difficult.
“Although a year may not sound like enough time, bear in mind that before becoming president, one has to spend a year as president-elect, followed by a year after one’s term as president serving as past president, so in total, one year will be around three years.
“Just as it is for any other post in MMA, you may finish what someone else has started and someone else will finish what you have started. While the focus may change from president to president, the principles will remain the same.
“This has helped ensure that there is a continuity of purpose within the association, and this ensures that the direction of MMA remains constant, although how it is approached may be different,” he says.
“It is my fervent hope that I will be able to achieve positive changes in how healthcare is practised in this country, and to do so in a manner that benefits both patient and doctor.
“After all, if the doctors are not taken care of, how will they take care of their patients? Similarly, if our patients are not cared for, it will have negative repercussions for doctors too,” he concludes.
Sir, are the drug prices being regulated by the government? Or could the pharmaceutical companies take advantage of this by increasing the price of drugs?
NOPE. It’s not the pharmaceutical companies. It’s the private hospitals that mark up the prices to make profit. IT is common and with the upcoming GST, the drug prices will increase further.
Dear DR Pagalan
I have been reading your blogs and comment on the future doctors in Malaysia and I enjoyed reading it. My daughter is a bursary student and JPA scholar. She got offer to do medicine at USM. She also got offer at Numed and also Perdana. I need your advice on the matter which offer should she take and reason to do so.
I really appreciate your help to assist in making the right decision and to take note in future market.
Thanks in advance and waiting for your reply.
I would go for USM. Established with their own teaching hospital.
Thanks Dr. In future, if need to do masters overseas, does USM MBBS degree recognised in UK? If Numed, it should be easier to do masters in UK. Your opinion pls.
No for both. Even for NuMed, unless you do your housemanship in UK, you will not get full registrations. Due to the current immigration laws of UK, it is almost impossible to get a job in UK for internship if you are not a citizen of UK or EU.
If the long term intention is just to work in Malaysia, I would choose USM. Second would be NUMed.
Sir, I would like to ask what are the basic details (eg, MQA & MMC qualification, etc.) should I check before enrolling into a Private Medical Universities? And lastly, do you have any comments about the MD programme offered in UCSI?
I am an STPM Graduate with a CGPA of 3.75 and had 9As in SPM.
Check for MMC accreditation. So far I have not heard anything bad about UCSI but not sure what happen to their campus in PD.
Thank you DR for your clarification.
where is the university hospital of universiti islam antarbangsa ?
What is the quality of its master ?
No university hospital. They use Kuantan General Hospital
universiti islam antarbangsa ( International Islamic University Malaysia
What is the quality of its master program ?
Has the university produced master student ?
Yes, they have produced for Ortho and Internal medicine
Hello doctor
Is melaka manipal recognised internationally?
Nope, not even in India!
Really? Which means it is only recognised locally just like other local universities in Malaysia? So what if a melaka manipal graduate wants to specialise in certain field in countries like UK and Ireland? So it doesn’t mean if it is recogmised by IMED it is recognised internationally?
IMED listing only allows you to sit for the entrance exams in respective countries. It does not give any form of recognition.
Owh okay. Thanks for the info doctor. So what about specialising in UK or Ireland with a medical degree from melaka manipal?
Since your degree is not recognised, you will not be able to work in UK or Ireland. Please read this blog. All the answers are here.
Okay doctor. Thank you very much.
Dear Dr,What is your view on homeopathic medicine.I heard it is pseudoscience.Cyberjaya University is offering a Bachelor of Homeopathic Medical Science Degree.Should I apply for it.Will it be worth it.Remember,I’m a working adult and they are offering weekend classes so that’s why I’m planning to give it a shot
Homeopathy = 100% steaming pile of bullshit.
How it works is irrelevant. Show me one RCT proving it’s efficacy. Millions have been offered to anyone who could show homeopathy works… Nobody has yet claimed the prize. Because it’s bullshit.
It’s not science. And I would avoid attending Cyberjaya University for other courses as well given they support this kind of bullshit.
It is not science at all. Personally I don’t believe in homeopathy medicine as there is no evidence to it’s efficacy.
DO yourself a favour and stay away from this quackery.
The 3 basic laws of homeopathy:
1. The law of similars – whatever causes your symptoms, will also cure those same symptoms. Thus, if you find yourself unable to sleep, taking caffeine will help; streaming eyes due to hayfever can be treated with onions, and so on.
2. The law of infinitesimals – the more dilute a remedy, the more active/stronger it becomes. Now, how dilute are we talking about? 1 drop of caffeine + 99 drops of water creates what is known to homeopaths as one ‘centesimal’. One drop of this centesimal added to another ninety-nine drops of water produces a two-centesimal, written as 2C. This 2C caffeine potion is 99.99% water and just 0.01% caffeine. At 3C the dilution is 0.0001% caffeine and so on. Homeopathic remedies are commonly sold at 6C (0.000 000 000 1%) and even 30C (0.000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 1%) dilutions, which homeopaths will often drip onto little balls of sugar to sell. I should note here that at At 12C you pass what is known as the Avogadro Limit, the point at which there is likely nothing of your original substance left (even if it did work!)
3. The law of sucussion – vigorous shaking of a homeopathic remedy increases its potency by allowing the water to retain the ‘memory’ of the original substance.
Dear Sir. Any comment on Ebola VD in regards to this country, especially influx of foreign students from affected countries?
So far so good
Hi doctor, I had just received the upu results and i get usm medicine .
However , I also get an offer from newcastle university in johor .
Both of the courses will be fully sponsor by jpa and i will get allowance every month as i am a bursary holder .
I wish to choose newcastle as it has a more quality study life there . But i am so concerned that afterwards I will face problems in my housemanship as medical students are getting more and more every year . However , since johor have no ipta , will it be easier for us to get houseman ? And will i have the opportunity to work in singapore ? easier to get postgraduate study in uk ? I am not sure with it .
If I choose USM health campus in Kelantan , it is a safe move i know , but since i had the sponsorship , why not i try something different as it is a chance for me after years of hardwork. And even though USM has its hospital , not all the 120 graduates each year can all stuff in there for hosmen .And the study life is not as comfortable as in newcastle .
The most concerning part is some of my friends who r also bursary students choose newcastle rather than um medicine ! That put me in so much confused of choosing usm .
I am currently in huge dilemma and I hope that sir can give me some advice on this … Thank you so much . I will be so so so grateful that sir can reply me as i don’t have someone professional like sir to consult with … Thank you in advance .
1. Both USM and NuMed are not recognised in Singapore so you will not be able to do your housemanship in Singapore.
2. If you are sponsored by JPA, I dont think JPA will let you go easily after they invested a huge amount of money on you for your medical degree so dont worry about your job in Malaysia.
3. What postgraduate study are you talking about? You can take your MRCP in Malaysia and if you are talking about specialist training in UK, since you are non EU citizen, you will be placed at the bottom of the list equally anyways regardless that you are from USM or NuMed. Please read more from this blog.
4. Even if you graduated from USM, you might not be working in USM affiliated hospital. It depends on MoH on where to send you to work in.
Final word, please READ more from this blog and from USM or NuMed website before you make your decision. (Even if you scroll up a little bit, there is somebody that is facing the same problem as you, please read.)
Dr Paga, I feel your pain.
The pain is getting worst day by day! as I said, the current generation expect to be spoon fed.
So sorry doctor for my poor attitude . I apologize and I had started to read through the blog ecspecially for the ” for future doctor ” part and also the comments by others. I know it is late move but better than nothing . So, i tried hard to read more since this morning. Thank you for all those advise . And by the way , USM seem to be a better choice to me after reading those.
Same old questions this time around every year. I pity Dr Paga and others who have to answer these kids, while clearly there is a search option above.
For current and future medical students, please do not ask questions of which the answers can be found on this blog or from Google. If you are smart enough to get into medical school, you should be smart enough to find your own information from the internet and deduce your own conclusions.
We are not your iphone Siri. Kthxbai.
It’s not that kids don’t read,they do processed information better than we do but because each time a question is raised, we somehow provided the helping hand along the way.So the best is to stop feeding them and they will start learning!
Dear DR Pagalan,
I am a SPM leaver. I would like to become a Cosmetic Dermatologist. But I am in a very bad dilemma now and confused! I research for so much but I still not sure HOW SHOULD I START?
Sir, any suggestions for me, please?
to become a cosmetic dermatologist, this is the pathway:
5 years MBBS —> 2 years housemanship —> 3-4 years either MRCP/Masters in Internal medicine —-> 1 year of post gazettement training —> 3 years of Dermatology training –> 1 years of post gazettement —> sub specialise in cosmetic dermatology if there is such thing in the first place!
You’re in a very obliging mood, Dr P. 🙂
There is no professional legislative body in the world that has formally designated Cosmetic Dermatology as a medical subspecialty. But regulations are lacking in this area, so you get charlatans who attend a 1-week course in Bangkok and then sell themselves as specialists in this field.
Dear Dr Paga. Appreciate for your advice. Thank you!
Oh I forgot, the pathway above is only applicable if you pass all your exams on first try and you get your training post immediately!
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hi im am a private obs and gynae and mma chairmain of my district
i feel u are so right
why are we not fighting ckaps rules
that instead of being safe are making things impossible
my air contioning i use the best 3 horsepower nanotechnology and two in my OT
where as government district hospital just using normal aircon are allowed to perform any procedure
do u know of any way around this ridiculous rule of needing a resident anaesthetist and resident paediatrician??
why maternity home no need these
what difference it makes
maternity centre can do caeser
but maternity home cant
without caeser mortality will increase
so these ckaps are making things more dangerous for everyone and closing doen all maternity homes
pls tell me in which channel i can reach ckaps about this
to think laterally and use their common sense
don simply make rulings that will destroy the nation
i suggest a body or institution to oversea ckaps to make sure the laws they put out to be practical
we cannot be 100% safe that is medicine
they have to understand that and be practical
The Private Healthcare Services and Facilities Regulations 2006 is being revised at the moment. The MMA and FPMPAM are involved, and you may want to approach them. I believe these issues are not new, and had been discussed before.