As I have said before, soon the government will introduce a common exam for all medical graduates from overseas. The news in Start today by our Director General of Health is the clearest indications of that. However, we need to wait till the Medical Act is amended, which will likely take place this year or after the general election.
BUT I do not agree that this will only apply for the foreign medical schools. No doubt that it is difficult to monitor the quality of foreign medical schools by the Malaysian Medical Council. As such, like most other countries, the best way will be to ask everyone who graduate from overseas to sit a common exam to be able to get a job in Malaysia. I wonder whether it will apply for JPA and MARA scholars as well but usually JPA students should not have any problems as they are the top students in the country. Can’t say the same for MARA students as the drop out rate for MARA medical students internationally is almost 30% (this info is from MARA itself).
I feel the MMC should come up with a structured exam for the local private and public universities as well,or at least have periodic inspection to monitor their lecturer ratio, teaching quality and entry qualifications. The quality of their graduates should also be monitored. With unemployed doctors being a distant reality, I just hope parents will stop thinking that medicine will give their child a luxury life!
Exam for docs won’t cause brain drain
By LOH FOON FONG
newsdesk@thestar.com.my
PETALING JAYA: A proposed amendment to the Medical Act to compel all overseas medical graduates to sit for a common licensing examination will not worsen the brain drain situation, Health Ministry director-general Tan Sri Dr Ismail Merican said.
“The Malaysian Medical Council examinations are not meant to make things difficult for them but to assess their core knowledge. They should not worry if they have passed their university examinations,” he said.
Dr Ismail, who is also Malaysian Medical Council president, said in view of the weakness in monitoring foreign institutions, the council had proposed to do away with the Second Schedule of the Medical Act, containing the list of recognised foreign medical schools.
“Students can choose any university they wish to attend abroad but they have to sit for and pass a common licensing examination before being accepted for registration,” he said, adding that this was practised in many developed countries.
The proposed examination, which would be different from the current Medical Qualifying Examination for students from unrecognised universities abroad, would ensure that doctors were “fit to practise” as safe and competent doctors, he said.
Recently, Health Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai said the examination was one of the proposals it was looking into when amending the Act.
Although the Malaysian Medical Association and senior doctors had suggested that all medical graduates be made to sit for a common examination, Liow said it would only apply to overseas graduates.
It was not necessary for local graduates to sit for the examination as local institutions were easier to monitor, officials said.
However, senior doctors advocated otherwise, claiming that local schools could lower passing grades to make their universities look good.
Recently, The Star reported on the lack of training hospitals to meet the influx of housemen and a doctor had expressed concerns that some graduates lacked core knowledge and could jeopardise patient safety.
Asked where people could get advice on medical schools that met the country’s requirements if the Second Schedule was removed, Dr Ismail said they could get this from colleges and the council.
Hello, doc,
Im a medical student , currently studying in a unrecognized medical university . I need some clarifications regarding this paragraph….
“The proposed examination, which would be different from the current Medical Qualifying Examination for students from unrecognised universities abroad, would ensure that doctors were “fit to practise” as safe and competent doctors, he said.”
what they meant by?
Actually i do not worry about any qualifying exam in Malaysia. MEQ is just like a another final year exam for me.
Currently the MQE is not standardised. Basically it is the final exam of UM,UKM and USM. So, now the MMC and MOH wants to standardise the exam and make it compulsory for all foreign degree holders to sit before getting a job!
Nowadays, it can is also done in UMS, UNIMAS, UIA, and private colleges
I see that you’re also studying in an unrecognised university. Let me tell you something. I studied in a very good university too but it was not recognised because there wasn’t enough ppl of a certain color! Some of my classmates and I scored very well, but when we came back, we were made to look like fools during the MQE Elective attachments. Worse still, they failed everyone (regardless if you’re good or bad) and made us wait from November to January to hear the so called ‘FAILED’ results. No matter how good / hardworking you are, chances to pass this exam is extremely NIL, unless by luck you manage to get USM as your exam center.
From the months we’ve spent wasting our time here, this is what some of my friends and other unrecognised medical graduates I heard are doing :
1) They get an agent to help them redo their final 6th year semester in a recognised university, then they come back as so called recognised graduates and manage to work with the blessings of MMC!
2) If you have lots of money, change your exam centre to USM, get some influential politician…and ahem…u know what to do! You need stronger politicians and more $$$ for UM and UKM.
3) Do locum illegally in some God forsaken place. Pay is good what..RM35/hour!
4) Some illegally change from unrecognised universities to recognised universities via Agents (especially in Kursk, RSMU, MMA, Nizhny Novgorad, Volgograd, CSMU-Although it has been derecognised, USU and other university’s in Indonesia. Agents will do magic (with the agent’s fee you pay) and ask the university to release a brand new transcript for you indicating that you studied in the recognised university from Year 1 itself…and Voila you’re considered a recognised graduate when you come home….and these are the ppl that MMC is so happy to absorb into the housemanship system!!!!!
5) Stay at home like me (if you don’t agree to all those cheating methods as I’ve mentioned above), do some other legal work and wait for the day justice is met in this country!!! (maybe you have to wait till hari kiamat!)
Let me tell you that MQE IS NOT AN EXAM! IT’S JUST A GIMMICK BY MMC TO SHUT YOU OUT OF THE SYSTEM. THE PASSING RATE IS NEARLY 0%! DON’T BE SO CONFIDENT THAT MQE IS JUST LIKE ANOTHER FINAL SEMESTER PAPER. IT IS NOT!!!!!!! MARKING IS BASED ON MANY OTHER SUBJECTIVE BIAS PARAMETERS….AND CHANCES ARE, YOU WON’T QUALIFY! THINK CAREFULLY!!!
VICTIM OF MQE!
hello victim of MQE ….
i want to know there is any intensive classes will b provided by USM,UKM or UM before sitting for the MQE ???
I am a graduate of a medicine school in Romania which is not recognised by MMC. I would like some details regards the medicine exam to enable my qualification in medicine to be recognised in Malaysia. What is the format of the exam? Is it in English. Is there a theory and practical component or just theory? Is there a syllabus on what has to be learnt and the recommended textbooks. Pls let me know
Obviously it is in English. Today’s paper reported that 16 universities/medical schools will now conduct the MQE exams. However it is not standardised. You will be sitting the same final year exams whcih is conducted for their own students. Depending on which uni you are allocated, you can find out about the format of the exams.
thanks alot doc
Now you can do MQE at 16 other universities and private colleges UNLIMITED trials…
hello Doctor,
I, sk.shaheena, completed M.B.B.S and i have 2years of experience excluding internship. I am planning to work there as my spouse is moving to malaysia.Can you tell me the requirements to work as a medical officer in malaysia?
I am from India. I have read some blogs, in that they mentioned not to be married and not to have children. Is this correct information doctor? Because I am having a 5months old baby. I am confused with various blogs information.
thanks
I presume your spouse is a Malaysian. Well, as long as you are a registered doctor in India(with Indian Medical Council) and your undergraduate degree is recognised in Malaysia, you can apply for a contract job in Ministry of Health Malaysia. It has nothing to do whether you are married or having children. It is just that, you may be sent anywhere in malaysia and not necessarily where you request to work.
I wonder the medical schools that we have to focus is from which countries, as a new generation of medical students with great interest in doing medicine, i’m worrying from what you have written. Many of my classmates , with A-level results of CCC or DDD even studying medicine in Manipal in India, Segi Malaysia. The problem arises here is they didn’t even Q/C of these local unis
That’s exactly what I have been saying. Any tom dick and harry with money seem to be able to do medicine in this country!
CCC DDD? Are you kidding?
What proportion of students have such results? Dont mean to sound snobby or too academically oriented… but SERIOUSLY?
I’m a medical student currently studying in recognised medical university abroad.Doctor i have a question, is this medical act for the students who are studying medicine or just for those going to persue their studies in medicine???
at the moment , the gov says that only students who are going to do medicine overseas after the medical act is amended will be affected.So, those who are already overseas will not be affected. However, the government may change their mind anytime especiallly when they realise that the number of doctors are increasing exponentially.
Hi I’m SPM leaver and I was shocked when I read about the jobless doctor that will happen soon in Malaysia. My parent would want me to pursuit in medic even after I explain about this problem.In their opinion, it will not a problem when after doing a houseman, you can open your own clinic or take a part-time in several clinic. Doctor, will this can solve the jobless doctor that will be occur in my age?
TQ
First of all, you need to ask yourself whether you have the passion to do medicine and become a doctor. Don’t do medicine just because your parents say so, especially when they are not doctors themselves. The problem is whether you will get a place to do housemanship or not, in the first place!! Without completing housemanship you cannot practise anywhere as a doctor. It is not about what happens after housemanship!!
Finally, even opening a clinic after 4 years of compulsory service is not easy anymore. The latest survey shows that only 30% of GPs are actually earning more than 6K net profit a month!! Not worth it!
Sir ,i’m a medical graduate.i did my M.B.B.S. from Nepal altough i’m an Indian.I will sit for MCI exam .can i work in malaysia or i have to give any exam? can u tell me the procedure ……please….thanking u
Sir ,i’m a medical graduate.i did my M.B.B.S. from Nepal altough i’m an Indian.I will sit for MCI exam .can i work in malaysia or i have to give any exam? can u tell me the procedure ……please….thanking u
Are you looking for an Internship post? If so, as a foreigner you will not be able to get a job as an intern unless you are married to a Malaysian.
Pagal
Dear Sir, very informative article, i am a medical student that recently graduated from an unrecognized university, i got cheated by an agent n i had no choice but to pursue my studies in the unrecognized university because i was forced to pay a large sum of capital fees before i joined the Uni. anyways, i have graduated now, and looking for my best option to register myself and start working, but thinking about taking the MQE and its passing rate is somewhat scaring me,can u please spare some time to give me your best advice on what is the best thing for me to do so that i can get myself registered and start working sir. please help me, thank u and have a nice day
You got no choice other than passing the MQE in order to work in this country. Yes, the MQE is tough and there are a lot of biasness. Please do as much attachment in the hospital where you are going to sit for the exam and get close to the lecturers there before sitting for the exam.
When is this going to change?..When will the biasness be taken away? I spoke to one of the local agents and he said very soon they are going to make it compulsory for all the student who finish abroad and locally to sit for the MQE, and he said I have a better chance of passing the exam when that rule is implemented, but I think it will just worsen the situation. Lets keep our fingers crossed and hope all will be blessed. Thank U so very much for your time Doc.
I think you are not keeping up to date. The common entrance exam for all foreign doctors has been scrapped!! Pls readr my homepage!!
Sir ,i’m a medical graduate.i did my M.B.B.S and i finished my internship from china altough i’m an Indian.I will sit for MCI exam .can i work in malaysia or i have to give any exam in malaysia? can u tell me the procedure ……please….thanking u
You’re an Indian citizen? Pls contact Malaysian Medical Council to find out whether your degree is recognised.
Hellow i am a pakistani doctor,my basic degree not recognized by MMC.i am graduate of 1999.Now i am a postraduate gynecology & obs,my postgraduate degree is FCPS from Pakistan,which is equavalent to MS here.Now a days i am in Malaysia as a house wife as my husband work here. i want to work in my field here.can you please tell me,will i be able to appear in the said exam and get a job here?
If I am not mistaken, FCPS is also not recognised here in Malaysia. You need to get in touch with MMC and NSR for further info.
Sir,plz can you tell me, if a doctor holding MRCOG from UK(which is recognized by NSR)but with basic medical degree not recognized here,then can he get job here?
Can try for contract job in government hospitals in Malaysia. BUT you can be sent anywhere in Malaysia and not necessarily your current town.
sir..im malaysian…and my boy friend is an indian who currently graduated from russia.he havent pass MCA in india…but he would like to work in malaysia…as well doing intenship as other malaysian doctor…can u explain the ways to apply and steps???
As a foreigner, you will not be able to get an internship post in Malaysia unless he is married to you and his degree is recognised by MMC.
we are still young and im still doing my medical degree.we havent plan to get married yet. so any other way to get job in malaysia??any entrance exam for foreingner??or is it neccesary that he must pass the MCA in malaysia and then only can apply job???
It is better for him to do his intership in India and then apply for a medical officer post in Malaysia, assuming his degree is recognised in Malaysia.
Pagal
Sir,
i’m an indian,i did my M.B.B.S from kathmandu medical college,Nepal.I’ve finished my internship.I gave MCI exam,result will come soon,can u tell me sir wheather i’ll able to work in malaysia or not?
I’ll b very much thankful if u reply me.
Thanking you
Firstly you need to check with Malaysian Medical Council whether your degree is recognised or not. PLs check at http://www.mmc.gov.my.
Dear sir,
First of all, i would like to thank you for all the imformative articles you have post. My question would be regrading pre-u programes. I am a SPM student, whom been thinking about getting into pre-u programes such as A-level or AUSMAT next year. However, i have applied for Malaysian Matriculation. My question to you, sir would be about choosing a suitable pre-u programes to study for medicine. I hope you could give me our opinion on this matter.
Thank You.
The best will still be STPM, A Level, IB or Australian Matriculation. Pls read all my other postings before deciding to do medicine. By the time you finish, you may not have a job
Dear sir,
Im getting married to a malaysian next year who works in Brunei at the moment and is going to be there for a good four years.Iv completed my MBBS in India last year in an “unrecognized” institute as per the schedule. Right now im doing an emergency medicine diploma in Apollo hospitals,Chennai which is recognized by rcgp,uk. So the posts on the mqe sound frightening and i need 5 years plus experience to work in Brunei. Is the mqe the only way to work in msia?
MQE is the only way to work in Malaysia unless your postgraduate qualification is recognised. Or you can get a job with a university but not do any clinical work (i.e. can’t actually treat a patient)
Yes, it is the only way. Your emergency medicine diploma is of no use.
Dear doctors, will you kindly give suggestion on my case?
My husband is a Malaysian, but i am an Indonesian, studying medicine in an unlisted medical school. Actually it is one of the best universities here (according to our national accreditation authority), but it is not even listed in “unscheduled universities and colleges eligible to sit for the MQE” somehow.
In addition to that, I’ve told that MQE passing rate is extremely low; so low that i’m not sure whether i will be able to make it.
One of the MMC officer told me to get my MD here and practice at least 10 years as a GP or 5 years as a specialist (which means additional 4-5 years of study, making it 9-10 years in total) in order to be registered in Malaysia.
Question: is there any other options beside those 2? Well, MQE is not really an option for me, because the school is not even in the list.
I wish to serve in Malaysia, because my husband and children are Malaysians. Additional 10 years away from my family is too long for me.
We are Christian Chinese (if that matters).
Thank you for taking time reading this, and more for answering it.
MGBU
You can still try to apply to MMC to sit for the MQE exam as you are married to a Malaysian. If not they may consider after few years of working experience in Indonesia. Or try sitting for MRCP/MRCS.
Sir,
I’m an Indian,finished my MBBS from kathmandu university,I dn’t have MCI registration number,i’ve to clear MCI screening exam.Sir i want to take admission in MS (orthopaedic).Will you help me is there any college which is recognised by MCI.
THANKING YOU.
Are you talking about India or Malaysia?
Malaysia sir…Is there any chance to get admission in Malaysian university as a foreign student ……
Malaysian university do allocate few post for foreign students but you must make sure that the degree is recognised in your country and Malaysia will not give you a job.
I’m not thinking about job there sir,i want to do post graduate degree(ms orthopaedic),i’ll be very much thankful to you sir if u tell me the name of the college n university then i’ll try to know in our council whether it is recognised or not….and after then i’ll able to do the needful,hope u’ll help me sir.
Thanking you .I’ll wait for your reply sir.
Thanking you……..
Please try University of Malaya, Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia and University Science Malaysia.
Hello Dr Paga,
I’m an avid reader of your blog and really appreciate your honesty and frankness. Its certainly helped me alot. I’m reading Medicine now in the UK with 4 years to go till I graduate. Would it be possible for me to complete my housemanship in Singapore or internship in Australia? I understand it will be extremely competitive but will it help if I were to graduated with at least upper second class and possess a Singaporean PR? Are there any additional examinations I will need to take as well?
Australia may be a bit tough because you may end up being lumped together with all the other IMG’s…
But singapore is really a valid option, at least as a stepping stone to further your career. They are actively looking for doctors and have just opened new hospitals. In fact, they send people to head hunt in other countries. So your chances are very very good.
Firstly, you got a long way to go and things can change along the way. Singapore will be a better option but you must understand that Singapore is changing to residency system based on US system. I am not sure whether Malaysia will recognise this if you do have intention to come back to Malaysia. BTW, I hope you are self sponsored!
With Malaysia’s mediocre housemen, comes a generation of mediocre medical officers, training even more mediocre housemen.
With Malaysia’s mediocre medical officers, comes a generation of mediocre master’s students or MRCP holders. Especially if there is a pressure to open the floodgates to specialist position.
With Malaysia’s future mediocre specialists, why will Malaysia not recognize other Malaysians who did their specialization overseas? It should be a joy for Malaysia that Malaysians with Masters (Sg), who went through proper well constructed training program, to come back to Malaysia to serve.
Maybe the residency system is too fast tract? But I don’t see how Malaysia’s 2-3 patients per houseman, shift system without consultant ward round, 30-40 houseman per ward etc can be any better.
As they say, many times, the desire to learn is environment dependent.
Yes I am which is why I prefer to work in Singapore, I’m sorry but could you elaborate further on the residency system? How exactly does it work?
After internship you go directly into speciality training. Even the internship is modified based on what speciality you want to do.
Dear sir,
I am a Medical Officer in Anaesthesia field in more than 10 years experience,has been working in MOH of Srilanka,Graduated as a MBBS doctor in a Srilankan university which is recognized by the WHO(AVICENNA) and IMA(FAIMER) but I couldn’t found my university name in the second schedule of MMC, other than 2 other Universities of Srilanka.
I discussed with my medical council regarding this issue and they gave me a letter indicating that my university course is 5 years course and it has the same curriculum like as the other recognized universities of Srilanka.
Is it possible to get my registration at MMC ,If I appeal to MMC with this Supportive letter.?
You can try based on your experience of working for 10 years.
Thank you sir, ill try my best.
u just one crap u know that…u make me sick with ur dumb post…can u be supportive to the doctors out there…not condeming them with sarcastic remarks…doesnt mean that u have so many qualification ur the best doctor in the whole world…u must have done some mistakes too right…dont try to talk very smart…everyone is a human being….everyone need time to learn…if some people wants to be a doctor because of the parents wish what is the wrong with that?isn it a nice thing to make ur parents happy and just try the best…i dont understand with u…y dont u post something useful for houseman out there ,to tell them how to survive housemanship,to support them.give important clues….government is bad to us already ….n u make thing worse by posting some dumb posts of urs…..dont think ur too smart…..ok ..just telling u that i hate ur dumb blog…just read it while doing some google search….and pls try to be more helpful…
step 1 of problem solving is recognizing that there is a problem.
step 2 involves trying to identify it’s causes.
This “dumb blog” provides alot of #1 and serves as a forum for discussing about #2.
Recently, there have been a downwards trend in the quality of housemen, with relatively mediocre students doing medicine from private universities. This blog highlights the problems it is causing (#1).
I have a high amount of respect for Dr Pagalavan for doing all this on his own initiative –> spending time to write about things he cares about.
He’s not doing this for money… and im sure his time (a consultant’s time) is worth quite abit. He responds to questions very diligently by blogger standards and seems to have a real interest in the safety of patients.
I do not sense malice in his posts. Unlike yours. Post some intelligent comments responding to the actual content of his post and you will be taken seriously. Google “ad hominem”.
Denial symptom. Probably suddenly realised that he went into the wrong field and no turning back now. Government is bad to you? Then why you are still staying? Resign in 24 hours and go overseas.
Think before u talk and that’s the same applied to think before u blog. For me, Dr. Pagalavan applied both of the fundamental ‘law’ stated above and I fully support what he did for the future of malaysian doctor. I am not here for finger pointing but here to say a big ‘Thank You’ to such a gentleman who sacrificed his golden time juz for the future of u ‘beloved’ grandchildren in malaysia.
He could be blogging about his holiday encounter in Paris than blogging about the problem of medical student and doctors in malaysia.
fuck u u asshole…go n eat ur own shit u dumb
Hello sir, I just want to ask you something. I’m planning to do AUSMAT next year (January intake). I want to do dentistry. Preferably in local public universities. Can I apply to do dentistry in local uni’s like UM, USM with my Ausmat results? Or should I do STPM to get a place in public uni.
Will dentist be saturated in this country in coming years like medical doctors?
It would be very helpful if you could enlighten me on this. thank you. =)
Unfortunately, local public universities do not take anything other than STPM or Matriculation.
At the moment dentistry is still not saturated but I am also beginning to hear that a lot of students are doing dentistry in Indonesia and Egypt but not too bad like medicine.
USM do take other students with qualifications other than STPM and Matriculation for Medicine and Dentistry, due to its autonomy to select students since getting APEX university status. But nearly all the medical and dental students who do not take STPM and Matriculation, took A-Levels. I had never heard of any students entering USM medical or dental school using AUSMAT result.
Dear Sir
I am a medical graduate from Angles University Foundation, Philippines, and I have my permanent registration from Medical Council of India. I would like to know whether I can apply for a PG in any Malaysian University? Or whether I can apply as a medical officer in any hospital in Malaysia? I look forward to your reply, as I am unable to get a reply for this query from any other medium.
Thank You
Geoffrey
Malaysian university offers very limited number of post for Master;s programme to foreigners. You need to apply to the respective universities. However, your undergraduate degree need be recognised by Malaysian Medical Council. I don’t think you can get a MO post in Malaysia currently since we are having doctors glut recently.
Dr, im finishing my Canadian Pre-U this Jun ans im supposed to pursue medicine in India in JJM Medical College in Karnataka. I was supposed to enroll in Melaka Manippal, but it came to a shock that MMC does not want a combined results of SPM and O-levels, as i re-sat for my O-levels because i obtained a C in SPM. MMC only allows students who are doing their degree full time in overseas to have a combination of SPM and O-levels. From what i hear, the sole reason for this move is to make sure more students go overseas and and when they come back there is a medical qualifying exam which is now applicable to only those who studied in non-recognised colleges? I read about this the exam in Star Newspaper last year, but has it been implemented already?
There has always been an exam for those who graduated from unrecognised uni overseas. The initial proprosal is to have a common entry exam for all overseas graduates which was not supported by our great politicians.
As far as I know, if you have taken the complete O level subjects, should be OK unless you only sat for certain subjects which you did not do well in SPM.
Dear Sir,
I am Hassan Javed , student of final year MBBS in Sindh Medical College (DUHS) .
Sir i have a query, i am planning for my further higher studies in MALAYSIA after my MBBS . what is the procedure for applying in malaysia after simple MBBS . Is there any lincensing examination like USMLE for america ?
Kindly reply to my query
Thank you
If you are not a Malaysian, you CAN”t apply for housemanship in Malaysia unless you are married to a Malaysian.
Dear Sir,
I am a doctor in Mauritius and would like to pursue my master studies in ophthalmology in malaysia.however the univ i have graduated from, is not found in the list of recognised universities.i have completed 2 years internship here in mauritius and am already registered at the mauritius medical council.despite that,i am willing to give it a try and sit for the malaysian medical council exam.i wanted to join univ sains malaysia.ive learnt from your blog (which i find very informative!) about how bias the system is but could u please help me out?any advice on how to procede would be much appreciated.
thank you.
Are you a Malaysian? If not, I presume your changes of even taking the Malaysian MQE is very unlikely to happen. Thus, the chances of getting a Master’s post in Malaysia is even more unlikely
Thank you for ur reply!actually i am mauritian.so i guess that i better try my luck somewhere else…too bad.thanks for ur advice!:)
sir! i am a SPM leaver and currently doing my foundations and going to further my studies in RSMU(russia state medical university) and i am worry about the exam that you have mentioned earlier.. any guides for me? i am really interested in medical field but it seems that the number of doctors are overflowing and i am worry about the housemanship things and also the recognitions.
Beware of the agent that u signed up to..May i know u SPM result? Is u SPM good enough to study medicine? Anyway, the things that i wanted to highlight here is finding a trustworthy agent…Please dun be fooled by their sweet promise. if u’re into medical field juz for the sake of earning big money and be glamour, please give up medicine…..
All these foundation studies are a scam as far as I am concerned! Have you got your NOC? The exam mentioned above is not being implemented.
However with the overflowing of doctors soon, you may not get a job if you do not have NOC from MOHE. Furthermore, I would not recommend russia!
I would like to persue my degree in medicine in indonasia. My Spm results meet’s the requirement and I checked in MMC website UNiversity Sumatera Utara and University Padjajaran is a reconized university in Malaysia. Which university from this both you would suggest me to apply
why dun u go UGM(Universitas Gadjah Mada) ????
May i know u SPM result?? how many A+ u got??
Gajahmada and Padjajaran are ok
How about Andalas University??
Have not heard much about it
The agent were recommending me to go USU…..Wats the difference between USU n Padjajaran actually. They are not really sendin students 2 gajah mada this year due to earthquakes.
There are earthquakes everywhere in Indonesia!! I think they don’t send to Gajah mada because their entrance qualification may be more strict
A friend of mine went to USU for a few months and then withdrew from the course. According to him some teachers there are not upto standard and some even teach in Indonesian. That’s why i feel no regrets for rejecting the JPA offering in USU. However this was what happened 5 years back and things may have changed now.
As far as I know University of Indonesia and Gadjah Mada are the best two medical schools in Indonesia
Ok thx alot 4 all ur advices….
To be careful that some university in Indonesia do not have essay question to test the students……..MCQ entirely cant do much to access students knowledge…..
im sorry doc,have you heard of university of airlangga surabaya indonesia?how’s the quality (HO,residents graduated from there?)thank you.
UGM (Universitas Gadjah Mada) ranking in the world is better than almost all Malaysia’s public and private medical school….There is a tough and strict screening entrance exam and interview for the prospective medical students. BTW, do beware of some agents who used to promise a lots of nonsense…..
in UGM, the marking and assessment systems are not very good.
i would highly recommend University of Indonesia, as they have the reputation of being the better university/
and i am writing this based on my personal experience,graduating from UGM
my daughter insists on doing medicine and did her foundation in science programme in president college. she is now finding it difficult to enter any universities in malaysia coz she needs to clear up her spm papers. please advice if she were to take o levels and enter a university like mahsa would her qualification be recognised by the mmc later on?
The minimum standards to enter medical school is clearly stated here http://mmc.gov.my/v1/docs/MINIMUM%20CRITERIA%20V2.pdf. All medical colleges in this country need to comply with this by right! So, if the universities do not accept her then she do not have the qualifications
sir,im a medical student from malaysia studying in india currently.going to finish soon.i was wondering if my fiancee who is an indian will be able to practise here.if so,what does she have to do?she is also an mbbs student,from JNMC,india.thank you
If she is married to you, yes she can apply for HO post in Malaysia. Whether she will get a post or not depends on availability.
My daughter got 5A+, 2As, 1A- and 1B+ for chemistry. She is very
keen to do medicine and already register to do form 6. I want her to do foundation in science for 1 year which will lead to medicine locally but at the same time not sure which private university to enroll her. After reading your article recently in the MMA magazine, I am not sure of sending her for medicine. Since you have a lot of experience can you guide her on what other option she can choose apart from medcine and dentistry. I am a nurse by profession and already advise her but she is adamant and wants to take up only medicine. I just pray hard that her STPM results will be good enough for her to do medicine in the local university. Tq
Ask her to read my blog especially “For Future Doctors” page. After that, if she is still interested in medicine for what medicine is all about, ask her to go for STPM and get an excellent result to enter local public medical school. Foundation studies are a big scam as far as I am concerned. With the glut of doctors after 2015, having a degree from local uni will give you preference in getting a job.
Hello sir, I am from Srilanka. I have completed degree from st. Kitts university. Can i do internship in Malaysia?. What is the name of examination?. what all procedure i have to do?. please give me detail answer for this. Srilankan exam will come end of this year.
Malaysia do not offer housemanship for foreigners unless you are married to a Malaysian.
Dear Dr,
If Singaporeans from Monash Malaysia are not allowed to do housemanship in Malaysia, and Monash Malaysia is not recognised by Singapore, so what happen to all these students? Did they finally manage to get internship somewhere?
Yes, Australia
I was in Monash Malaysia (KL) three years ago, I was told only one Singaporean (2nd year student) was doing medicine there, taking the risk of no internship in Malaysia. Most Singaporeans go to IMU for its overseas partner medical schools.
Yup. The first 2 batches had Singaporeans(almost 10) but when they realised that SMC do not recognise them, the numbers started to drop. Same will happen to Newcastle.
dear Dr..I am a doctor and I do my mbbs from jiamusi university china.and I live in Pakistan.and now i complete my house job.I wants to do job in malaysia so kindly please give me some adivice.that how i apply for the job..
No university in China is recognised in Malaysia at the moment. Thus, you would not be able to get a job in Malaysia.
Dear DR.
I just wanted to know the career of emergency medicine in Malaysia as well as Singapore, after completing masters from uni Malaya in emergency medicine.
And also the chances of passing MRCP during the masters course. i have come to know that UM conduct 3 phases of MRCP.
pls help me by giving some idea.
Master’s is not recognised in Singapore. In Malaysia, your job will be in government service only. Private hospitals generally do not hire emergency physicians. The government sector is still short of Em physicians.
UM conducts all the 3 parts of MRCP but once each every year.
thank you very doctor.
one more thing i want to know,
after masters i want to do job in singapore. in that case MRCP will be helpful i guess. can u suggest ne other option after my course so that i can get job over there. i mean any fellowship or training in my field. emergency physicians supposed to get job in ICU , right doctor? in that case private hospitals should hire these group of doctors.
pls give me ur suuggestion.
Emergency physician works in the Emergency department/Accident&Emergency department. To work in Singapore, your basic medical degree must be recognised by Singapore Medical Council. The other option is if you pass MRCP or MRCS or MRCOG.
Dear Dr Paga:
I m a 4th year medical student from AIMST university.
After getting MRCP in Msia m I eligible to enter singapore specialist training programme then work in singapore as a specialist??
After that is it possible for me to practice in US??
Thank u very much…
Depends on availability of training post. You can work there as a MO after passing MRCP. It does not guarantee you a training post. US: NO you need to sit and pass USMLE
Dear Dr, I don’t exactly understand the term ‘saturated’ in the Malaysian medical field. I’m a little confused because i did a small research on the net and found that the doctor to population ratio is of 1:859 (as at 2010) and the m’sian gov is trying to push it to 1:600 by 2015 and 1:400 by 2020.
So as of now we are lacking doctors right? So why does everyone keep using the term ‘saturated’?
Dear vickybakes,
If you are outsider (not in medical field) or some bookworm medical students, you will surely know Malaysia is having doctors glut!!! newspaper, ministry always give the wrong and outdated information. What a pathetic… Mr L said in 2012 resently: Msia is having about 3500-5000 dortors to join the work force anually. But the exact amount done in research/paper in 2011 is 6000+ anually. Besides, the number is increasing with the new MQE, new private medical school and new recognition. The place provided for training is only 6000+ (which is almost a constant). So, logical thinking, do you think doctors will end up, not to say jobless but becoming a taxi driver, hawker and etc…
sorry to become busy body.
You must understand that the doctor:population ratio is calculated by using all the registered doctors in the country, public and private included. With the current production of new doctors which is about 6000 this year and will reach 8000 by 2015, we will achieve the ratio of 1: 600 way before 2016 and 1: 400 by 2017. 50% of the current 36 medical schools in the country is yet to produce the graduates. So, you can do the maths!
Secondly, we do not have enough training centres to train these doctors. Thus, most of the training centres for housemen are saturated with housemen. There are also NOt enough specialist/trainers to train these junior doctors. That is what you call “saturated”.
Hello sir, i just graduated from a Malaysian University but i am a foreigner and they seemed to have passed a law stating that all foreigners cannot apply for a job in Malaysia as HO/MO and they seem to be accepting only specialists.
As i have already had a stable relationship with a Malaysian girl for 4 years i would like to know what can i do to tweek the system to land a job here as if i go back to my home country i would not have any knowledge of tropical diseases…
The law has always been there. Foreigners will not be given HO post in Malaysia unless you are married to a Malaysian.
So, the only option is to get married. Even then, your job will be on contract basis.
With all due respect the law has just been passed 3 months ago and prior to that alot of foreigners have been working in Malaysia as HO.
NOPE, those foreigners were married to a Malaysian. As for MOs, yes they were a lot of foreign MOs in Malaysia under contract due to shortage of doctors.
Malaysia never gave housemanship post to foreigners unless you are married to a Malaysian or PR! The law has been there for many years and you can see it at MMC website
BTW, there were also many contract foreign MOs (appointed as MOs!!) who were working and functioning as HOs. Don’t get confused with these group of people.
This is from MMC website which has been there for many years. Even if you are a local graduate there was never a guaranteed place for housemanship. I was with Monash before and Singaporean who graduated in 2009 could not get HO post:
Note : ‘Housemanship’ or ‘Internship’ is the period of resident medical practice before full registration as stipulated in the Medical Act 1971.
Provisional registration is available only to practitioners with the following nationality, rights and qualifications:
Holding a basic medical degree from a recognised institution (as per the Second Schedule ( ) of the Medical Act 1971);
Malaysian citizens;
For non-citizens, exemption is given only to local graduates or those related or married to Malaysians.
“For non-citizens, exemption is given only to local graduates or those related or married to Malaysians.” wont i be under the the category of local graduates???
Yes but MMC only gives provisional registration to practise BUT it is Ministry of Health who gives you the job! As far as I know, MOH only gives foreigner a HO job if she/he is married to a Malaysian.
i guess i shall be getting married soon!! ur all invited!!! Thanks for the input…
Hope to meet u in person soon if i do get a job….
Hi
I am Misbah . I did my MBBS from Dow Medical College which is recognized by Malaysian Medical Council, I also did 1 year internship in Civil Hospital Karachi, recognized by PMDC (Pakistan Medical and Dental Council) My spouse is working in Malaysia for 2 years. I want to do my postgraduation in Pediatrics in Malaysia! Will I be accepted. do I have to give any exam if yes then which one!! please guide me.
waiting for a reply!
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Is your spose a Malaysian? The local Masters programme is mainly for Malaysians. However some slots are given for foreign students. You need to contact the respective universities for further info.
Also I want to ask of doing MRCP would make a difference?
Hi again!
The UKM medical centre says that I have to give IELTS although the medium of language in my University was English! Then MMC will give a registration number after submission of my documents. I will be attatched for 3 months in the concerned department and then they will decide on the basis of my work and a exam that I have to pass. But I can not get the details what sort of exam is it going to be so that I start preparing for it! Will MRCP help me in any way!
Thank you so much for ur precious time
Each uni got their own pre Master’s exam. MRCP may or may not help as post for foreign students are very much limited
dear doc, is doing medic in indon uni is unrecognized? but my agent is convincing me that its recognized…. or doing dentistry in india is much better? in a gud uni in india?
please check whether the uni is in this list http://mmc.gov.my/v1/docs/Jadual%20Kedua%2011-12-09.pdf
Dear Doctor,
I got C+ for my physic in SPM, and 3.74CGPA in Matriculation. I’m planning to further my study in medicine, but the minimum entry qualification stated by MMC is 5 Bs each in Biology, Chemistry, Physics,Mathematics (or Additional Mathematics) and another subject at School Certificate level or its equivalent. How do I write the clearance letter to MMC?
Thank you
Based on this minimum criteria, you don’t qualify to do medicine in Malaysia or to get NOC to do medicine elsewhere
I’ve registered to AUCMS, and got the offer letter, but they asked me to do the clearance letter to MMC for my physic before submitted the registration form.
Yes, which means MMC must release you inorder for you to be able to enter the medical school. It is up to MMC. It is a sort of appeal to MMC.
Hallo Doctor
I am a graduate from Ahmadu Bello University Zaria Nigeria which is not in the list of MMC, however it is recognized by Indian medical council and Royal college. i also did fellowship from West African College of Surgeons i Obs and Gyn.i have 8 years of experience in Obs and Gyn. my husband has now relocated to Malaysia in the university of Nottingham i want to join him. What is the possibilities of getting MMC registration thank you
Both your degrees is not recognised in Malaysia thus it will be difficult to get a job/MMC registration. Please contact MMC for further info.
Hello Doctor
I am a graduate from Ahmadu Bello University Zaria Nigeria which is not in the list of MMC, however it is recognized by Indian medical council and Royal college. i also did fellowship from West African College of Surgeons in Obs and Gyn. I have 8 years of experience in Obs and Gyn. my husband has now relocated to Malaysia in the university of Nottingham i want to join him. What is the possibilities of getting MMC registration thank you
wats procedure for fresh graduate mbbs doctor
i have done my MBBS from china i m fresh graduate i want to apply for a job in malaysia wats procedure can u plz help methrough email
Are you a Malaysian? None of China medical schools are recognised in Malaysia at the moment. You need to apply to MMC to sit for the MQE examination.
Sir, I’m yuges.. currently working as an interns in Vinayaka Missions,Salem(recog by MMC). I’m in a deep dilemma.. as I’m looking forward to going either gen. Medicine or Pediatrics post graduation. Is there any private college in india that offers malaysian recognized post graduate seat? IF NO, please suggest me how can i enroll into govt when i finish my MD course in 3 years time. my varsity in a recognized one. i might continue my MD in Vinayaka Missions Medical College itself. its cheap and feel like i’ve known the world in my college. please give me some good suggestion sir. will wait for a reply. Thank you
No Indian postgraduate degree is recognised in malaysia. So, if you ask me there is no point doing it. However, I have seen some who the government do recognise as a surgeon after 5 years of working in Malaysia as a MO after obtaining Master’s from India. BUT things can change in the future. Master’s from India is not in the latest list of recognised post graduate degrees which was released recently :http://pagalavan.com/2012/05/31/for-future-doctors-recognised-specialist-degrees-and-period-of-training/
i want to do mbbs in china or philippines. but could not pick up one. im in a dilemma whether sholud i do it in china or philippines. can u suggest which country would be more prefferable for medicine.
None of the medical schools in China or philippines are recognised in Malaysia. MY advise : don’t bother
There are 36 medical schools in Malaysia, why don’t you try them
Dear doctor
I am a Maldivian doctor, graduated from Tribhuvan university , Nepal.I have checked the list which was put out in 2011 and no university of Nepal exist in the list.
I want to do my postgraduation in radiology from Malaysia…I have 3+ years of post graduation clinical experience.To my knowledge there are 2 maldivian doctors who graduated from the same university as me doing postgraduation in Malasia..Therefore i would like to know if there is any possibility for me to get a seat, and if so whats the procedure(whether to do attachment or/and an exam
Thank you
You need to apply directly to the universities. Only 3 universities conduct Master’s in radiology: University Malaya, University Kebangsaan Malaysia and University Science Malaysia. If your degree is not recognised in Malaysia, you can’T work in Malaysia. You must also remember that Malaysian Master’s may not be recognised in your country.
Dear sir,
I’m a MBBS doctor from Bangladesh. I want to do my post graduation on pediatrics from Malaysia. I’ve 2 years of clinical experience excluding Internship here in Bangladesh. what I need to do for my post graduation?
for info, my uncle is a Malaysian.
Firstly, your degree must be recognised in Malaysia, by MMC. Secondly, Malaysia generally do not provide Master’s training for foreigner’s except for some limited post. You can contact UM, UKM or USM directly for further info.
sir,
Sorry for disturbing you again. should i go through any exam like MMC exam for license? and i mailed to UM and UKM yesterday telling them, i want to do my PG there, but they haven’t replied me yet. Do you think MBBS from Bangladesh is recognized by MMC or not?
Only 2 Universities in Bangladesh recognised in Malaysia: http://mmc.gov.my/v1/docs/Jadual%20Kedua%2011-12-09.pdf Thus, if you are not from one of this uni, you need to sit and pass the entrance exam by MMC. This does not guarantee you a post in any hospitals in Malaysia as Malaysia generally do not provide postgraduate training to foreigners. If UM, UKM and USM do not have any post then you will likely not get any. Furthermore, the Master’s intake is in June every year.
no problem with master’s. i want to sit for entrance exam by MMC. will you please tell me about the whole procedure???
I’ll be very great full to you.
you can visit MMC website http://www.mmc.gov.my for further info. Again I would want to warn you that Malaysia is having doctors glut at the moment and the chances of you getting a post here is very slim.
Okay, thanks a lot sir
can i know usm accept student from aimst foundation
Most foundation studies are only accepted within the same university. That’s how they “catch” the students.
USM only accepts STPM, A-Level and Matriculation students.
i am a student studying in aismt now, after finishing foundation,can i apply to enter usm?
no. USM only accepts some A-Levels and STPM students. You have to have at least straight A*/As to be admitted and will be subjected to interview and aptitude test.
I think you can’t even go into IMU with AIMST foundation.
that mean now im the foundation student in aimst. i dont have the chance to enter gorvenment university already,right?
Then have any scholarship can help me?
Yup. Even scholarship, you need either STPM, matriculation and A-levels. I have not heard any Foundation students from private uni getting government scholarship
How about perdana university?
NOPE.
That’s really nice reading your blog..I am from India and i finished my M.B.B.S from China. I would likely to work in Malaysia. I likely to know the exam pattern of getting license in Malaysia.
Malaysia do not give internship post to foreigners unless you are married to a Malaysian. Furthermore, no degree from China is recognized in Malaysia
Dear Pagalavan,
Need to just point out some errors in your column which are very obvious.
1.You are not aware that local medical schools are throughly scrutinised on a regular basis by MOHE/MMC & MOH to ensure that standards are sustained and met.The schools are within distance for them to pay a visit and just on a complain from medical students from any particular college,they act immediately.
When such is the scrutiny,how can you compare a local medical school with that of overseas one when the team spends a day just listening to a cooked up story and obtains accreditition. So how come you call for a common examinations to be conducted for all graaduates.If you look at India ,The UK,USA,Ausratlia &NZ,examinations are only meant for graduates from overseas countries.The idea is to protect our local turf.Not deprive someone trained locally to be subject to exams.
As you have not been involved in any local accreditition process ,guess you got to restraint your comments to what you know.
2.You are totally biased that all caucassian colleges are superior ,without being involved in any teaching programmes in any one of the colleges.
Fact remains you have not worked in any Caucasian Colleges overseas and and not qualified to assume our local colleges are inferior.
Ask many of the Hospital consultants,they feel our students can compare an d under many circumstanes they are better off especially when it comes to clinical examination and diagnosis.I am not sure if you have worked overseas,i have worked in Med Schools in England,Australia and Scandavania and can vouch that our students are far superior,i mean the good majority.
4 10,000 IMMG graduates were matched in the matching programme for jobs in the US in 2012.You claim that your friends who probably scored less grades in the STEP1 & 2 ,and hence was not offered a job in the United States .
So can i urge you to check the facts you offer so that the advise that you offer is evidence based and not personal ones.
Concerned Consultant
I am sure you also do not know what I was involved with before. FYI, I have sat through the so called accreditation process by MMC and MQA. It is nothing great and many at times, it is just a desk audit. Many infos on paper is NOT what actually happens. Students usually do not complain as they are also afraid of their future. Some students are even pre trained in what to say before the accreditation people arrive!! I have spoken to enough people in enough medical schools and having worked in one before, I can tell you that most medical schools in Malaysia are not up to standard. YES, I do agree that some are good, but it is in the minority. BTW, MOH is never involved in accreditation process except MMC.
I am all for a common entrance exam, be it for overseas graduates or local graduates. There is nothing to afraid of if you feel our students are of good quality.
I may not have worked directly under a foreign medical school but I have worked with a branch campus. I have compared their teaching standards etc and I can tell you that the standards vary. The only difference is the healthcare system. Our healthcare system Demands a more well rounded students compared to other countries as their graduates have a better structured training program after graduating.
But I must agree that not all their products are good BUT the fact remains that they do have a very stringent entry criteria compared to our medical schools.
As for IMGs in US, if you really care reading this blog properly, you will realize that most of the infos about US do not come from me. It is from people who have tried and who are working in US. FYI, I have seen many students who tried to enter US but failed. The competition is great. You said 10k students were matched, how many are Malaysian? I never said you will never get a post. I am just saying that it is not as easy as you think due to stiff competition. Many who do get residency post end up not getting a fellowship post.
BTW, you email looks funny
If you look at this fact http://www.ecfmg.org/forms/factcard.pdf, out of 11k IMG participants only 44% manage to be matched (about 4k) Malaysia is not even in the top 20 countries where the IMG comes from.
US medical students DO TAKE the USMLE – the very same USMLE that foreign medical graduates take.
In fact, you’d be surprised to note that the end of rotation paper exams in EVERY US MEDICAL SCHOOL is standardized. It is made by a national board. So this means end of rotation MCQ in Harvard medical school is the same standard as the end of rotation MCQ in University of Miami. Created by a national body, as a means of standardization. It is not the exact same questions, but it has the same level of difficulty. They call this the “shelf” exams. The concept is that – only by standardization can you really compare med students from 1 uni to the other.
Otherwise, how else can you say a students in one university, be it locally or foreign are better or not?
Malaysia has a long way more to go.
Hello Sir, I am currently in the Malaysian Matriculation Programme and end in 2013. Due to tough competition and what you have posted on there being no jobs when I finally graduate,
what would be a good choice considering that I have passion and is keen on doing either medicine, dentistry or veterinary sciences.
and
Could you please advise on which institution both private and local or overseas to further my studies and does not cost a bomb, which will provide a good chance for a job in the future.
Thank you very much.
Dear Sir, I completed medical graduation from India and my institute is recognised by MMC. Within few months I will get European nationality after which my family is planning to move to Malaysia. I would appreciate if you can guide me about getting into medical field in Malaysia. I have two years of working experience excluding internship. Will it be helpful if I do MRCP 1 before moving to Malaysia? please advice me.
Thank you..!!
What is your reason of moving to Malaysia? Are you married to a Malaysian? With 4 years of experience, you will find it difficult to get a job in government hospitals. Generally, private sector do not employ foreign doctors.
@ Pagalavan Sir,
My husband is planning to move to Malaysia. He is a Dutch citizen. can I apply for MQE ?
Is your husband going to be employed in Malaysia? If your basic degree is recognised by MMC, you don’t need to sit for MQE but does not mean you will get a job.
If your husband is employed here, the chances to get a job in government service under contract is better
hi sir,
i read all comments from top till end but still confused kindly guide me;
My nam z dr.kainat.i did my MBBS from sindh medical college karachi.PAKISTAN.i did my 1 year houseship in jinnah hospital karachi in 2011.
by the end of same year got married n came in malaysia.My husband is Pakistani doing his job in Malaysia .Now i want to continue my professional journey as a doctor what should i do?
do i registered?do i appered 4 any exams?if they are not consider my 1year housejob or not allow me for housemanship in malaysi thn what would i do to continue my profession.what about MOs or what else u will suggest me for this.
Kindly reply me.will be very thanksful to you
thanks,
I presume you are NOT a Malaysian. Firstly, you need to check with MMC website whether your basic degree is recognised in malaysia. Then you need to apply to Ministry of Health to get a job. Chances are very slim as there are enough doctors in malaysia at the moment. Chances in University Hospitals are better (3 of them in Malaysia). Since your husband is employed in Malaysia, you may get a better chance to get employed here. At the moment, private sector do not employ foreign doctors. Thus your only option is government sector.
you say ” Chances in University Hospitals are better (3 of them in Malaysia)”
where are they ?
why the chance to get a job for foreign doctors are better in university hospital ?
Does it mean that Many Malaysian newly-qualified -from-internship doctors avoid working in univ hospital ?
Isn’t better to work in Univ hospital where you can learn a lot from consultant and the univ hospital is usually equipped with library ?
UH, HUKM and HUSM
Because locals do not like to work as service MOs in these Hospitals. You will know the politics when you start to work there.
Their internship post are VERY limited unlike MOH hospitals. Some of these interns are still under MOH and need to go back to MOH hospitals upon finishing their internship.
Learn a lot? That depends how you define it. Many in universty hospitals don’t learn a lot due to various hierarchy in the department set up: HO, service MO, mAster’s student YEAR 1 till 4, junior lecturer, senior lecturer, ass prof and prof!
@ Pagalavan Sir
Thankyou very much for the useful advice..!!
@ Pagalavan Sir
My husband is not employed yet in Malaysia,but he will try for it soon.
thankyou so very much for ur guideline sir
Dear Sir,
I have applied for Master of Radiology Programme at UM and they have called me for a written exam and interview. Could you kindly tell me the format of the written exam, whether it is MCQ only or it includes short/essay type questions also. Also could you kindly tell me the topics for the written exam.
Thanks in advance.
I have no idea and these are new ways of selecting students. Previously, most of the Master’s program do not have exams.
It really puzzle me that why some of the candidate never do any homework on how the entry exam is conducted or any other detail related to the master program that they are applying. As though they choose the type of discipline by throwing a dart. The purpose of the entry exam is to select candidate with basic knowledge especially knowledge related to the field they choose. At least this is the way to select candidate who has shown interest in the particular field. The least that one can do is to call up the current Master trainee or talk to the professor or consultant in Radiology from the particular U, not asking someone from the blog.
Dear Sir,
Thank you for the reply. I have been trying to contact the university but am not able to reach them by phone or even get an email reply hence thought of checking the website for some information on the examination pattern.
If you really really want the course, walk into their department or clinics, ask to see the Master trainees or consultants. Give them a treat of lunch or tea, I am sure they are happy to talk to you. If they got time to see the drug rep, they will see you too.
SIR, I WANT TO JOIN POSTGRADUATE PROGRAM MS SURGERY IN UKM , I CAME TO MALAYSIA IN OCT;12 AND DONE MY ATTACHMENT IN UKM AND THEY ACCEPT ME FOR JUNE ’13 MS PROGRAM BY MY PROFESSOR, BUT WHEN THEY ASK ME TO GO AND REGISTER YOURSELF WITH MMC THEN I CAME TO KNOW THAT MY UNIVERSITY IS NOT IN THE RECOGNIZED LIST , AS I DIDN’T CHECK BEFORE AND I CAME TO MALAYSIA AS THEY SENT ME OFFER LETTER TO JOIN ATTACHMENT IN UKM FOR 3 MONTHS, NOW I WANT TO KNOW THAT WAT SHOULD I DO FOR REGISTRATION IS IT MY RESPONSIBILITY OR UKM OFFICE SHOULD FOLLOW UP WITH MMC AS THEY OFFER ME TO COME AND DO ATTACHMENT….THANKS SIR
doing attachment and enrolling in Master’s is 2 different issue. You don’t need MMC registration and APC for attachment but you need it for Masters.If your degree is not recognised by MMC, you may not be able to do Master’s. MMC may grant exemption if you have more than 5 years experience. Please check with MMC, It is your responsibility and not UKM.
Thanks sir for your reply you gave me hope and im very hopeful now to be accepted by MMC as i mailed them many times but they never reply so i think i should visit malaysia personally again to solve this issue just give me ur opinion and i will try to come to malaysia soon cause this is the only option i have now thanks sir God bless u take care …..
You must also understand that UKM mAsters may not be recognised in your country. It is also not recognised elsewhere.
Foreign doctor,
For MMC registration, is there any Bahasa certificate ?
Is it terribly dangerous if foreign doctor CAN’T speak Bahasa fluently as I was taught that good communication can help doctor to diagnose greatly in most cases ( according to textbook – 70% )
Welcome to Malaysia
Do you have to pay for attachment ? How much ?
What did you do while on attachment ?
Ask the university
Hir sir. Just curious. Wana know how many years a medical student can extend their studies abroad? According to MMA or JPA?
That depends on your university.
Sir currently i’m doing my medical degree in one of the recognized university in indonesia (university of Andalas).I just start my degree in August 2012.. so once i graduate,what should I do sir? please reply..Is that I have to sit for an exam.Is that the exam is going to be same as for those who are from unrecognized overseas medical schools? Tq sir
If it is recognized by MMC than you don’t need to sit for any exams.
tq for the reply sir..
hello sir i am an M.B.B.S doctor from PAKISTAN.I have just completed my 4 yr training for FCPS in gynae and obs.preparing for my part 2 exam in FCPS.My husband planning to move to malaysia for PhD.I also want to get a job in MALAYSIA after passing my FCPS.kindly guide me about it.thanx
your basic degree must be recognised in Malaysia. please check with the MMC website. FCPS is not recognised in Malaysia and thus you will not be recognised as a specialist in Malaysia. You will not get a job in private sector at the moment but you can apply for a job at public hospitals, via the Ministry of Health if your basic degree is recognised here.
Good Day Doctor,
Firstly, Thank you for your time and your effort in writing your blog. It has been extremely helpful and cleared many doubts of mine. Thank you!
However, I hope you can spare some of valuable time and provide me with some advice. The following is my current conditions:-
1) Indonesian Citizen
2) Graduate from King’s College London, recognized in Schedule 2
3) Currently doing housemanship in Singapore, currently on track to become a GP (in 3 years)
4) Currently in a 6 years relationship, have plans to get married to Malaysian Boyfriend.
Upon marrying my boyfriend, I hope to be able to work in Malaysia as a GP. I hope you can guide me through the process in achieving a job in Malaysia.
Also, why is that private hospital, do not hire foreign doctors?
I hope to hear from you soon, Thank you!
Sincerely,
Jayne
it depends on when you are planning to enter Malaysia. Housemanship in Malaysia is a 2 year program. MMC may ask you to complete the remaining postings before giving you full registration.
Sometimes, if you have more than certain number of years of service overseas, they may exempt you.
Private hospitals do not employ MOs in their hospitals except for the emergency department. Thus, it is difficult for them to employ foreigners.
it is very likely that you would not be able to work as a GP upon entering Malaysia. You only chance will be to get a job in government hospital on contract basis. Once you get your PR, then you can become a GP.
Thank you doctor for your swift reply, this is definitely a better response time.
Please keep up your good work!
Hi Doctor,
Sorry to trouble you again, I hope you could spare some valuable time and assist this foreign doctor (Indonesian), who desperately want to continue practicing Medicine and pursue my goal to be a gp, after marrying my Malaysian Bf.
Could you please explain further on your 2nd paragraph? Why do they only hire for emergency department?
‘Private hospitals do not employ MOs in their hospitals except for the emergency department. Thus, it is difficult for them to employ foreigners.’
Based on the above, hypothetically, I have completed my training and am allowed to work in Singapore as a GP, then I got an offer letter from a private hospital in Malaysia to work as a GP, is this a possible path, as I have some connections to get that offer letter.
Thank you for your time.
Confuse and Desperate Dr,
Jayne
As I said, private hospitals do not hire GP. The only medical officers hired by private hospital is to handle the emergency department.
However, GPs can be hired by private chain GP clinics in major towns.
To be able to do this, you must have MMC full registration and usually, you must be a PR.
hello sir , i am sohail , from indian . i have done my MBBS from china , now doing my MD in endocrinology in china . after my PG i would like to work in malaysia . so for this , which exams i should prepare ? . can i give exams , when doing PG ? OR After my PG ?.
Both your undergraduate degree and postgraduate degree is NOT recognized in Malaysia. The chances for you to get a job in Malaysia is very slim as we are producing adequate if not, too many doctors. You can sit for the MQE exams conducted by MMC but no guarantee that you will get a job. You can only apply for public hospitals and it is rather unlikely they will give you a job based on the current situation.
Sir,
My wife has passed MBBS recently from BANGLADESH. I am a master student of University Malaya and need to stay at Malaysia for 3 to 4 years. Please suggest me what can my wife do to get recognized here in Malaysia and continue her career.
Is your wife’s degree recognized in Malaysia? Pls check with MMC
no sir, her medical college is not listed there…now what to do??
you need to sit and pass the MQE exams via MMC. That does not guarantee a housemanship job unless the university where you are doing your masters is willing to give a job after passing the MQE
I assume he is NOT Malaysian as he said ” I am a master student of University Malaya and need to stay at Malaysia for 3 to 4 years. ”
If he is Malaysian why he wants to stay only 3-4 years ?
Because her husband is NOT Malaysian and her medical school is UNrecognised by MMC, she CAN”T do housemanship, practice, and do postgraduate training.
thanks a lot sir…but can you make it bit clear? where from can I get full info about the whole process?? plz sir help me out.
Contact MMC
Sir, I am a MBBS doc from india with 9 years of experience. I have cleared all steps of USMLE (up to step 3). I wonder if I can work as a medical officer in malaysian hospitals based on my USMLE credentials. Please clear my doubt. If yes, how much salary can I expect with or without accommodation? Thanx in advance.
No, you can’t. Why don’t you go to US?
Fed up of applying to every match, sir. Not getting matched. So quit trying. Looking for other opportunities based on usmle credentials like abu dhabi, malaysia, sir. A week back, I received a offer mail from a private malaysian hospital for the medical officer position. I replied with the required details and my CV. But there was no response after that. That is why I asked if I can work as a med officer in malaysia with usmle credentials….
Your basic degree must be recognised. Even then, MMC may not give you registration to work in private hospital.
http://www.haad.ae/HAAD/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=aePEUtP0Keg%3D&tabid=820
dr. Pagalavan, I want to ask with the dental students who studies university unrecognized by the Government of Malaysia , what is the procedure to he/she to become dentist at government hospital? (she married with malaysian )
JPA has sent student to the university in 2007 ( but the student change her course with medic) the medical degree from the university already recognized.
hope solution from dr…thanks for you attention.
You can contact The Malaysian Dental Council for further info
I think it is hard for foreigner to work here.isnt it?
Sir , I wanted to ask is it preferable to study medicine in university padjajaran ( unpad ) ?
Padjajaran is OK
unpad recognize in australia ???????
NO
Of course not! No Indonesian (or Msian, for that matter) Med school is recognised in Australia.
Thx u jk … Thx a lot .. then may I noe Australia recognize med skul according to wat basis ? Thx a lot
Australia only recognises their own and NZ medical degrees.
Doctors registered with regulatory bodies in UK/Ireland/USA/Canada/NZ can get advance standing with AMC via the Competent Authority pathway.
Other doctors can sit for the AMC qualifying exams.
You have now the key words, go do your own research.
Australia do not recognise any medical school outside Australia and New Zealand except Monash Malaysia. That does not mean you can get a job in Australia. If you plan to migrate, don’t bother doing medicine.
Thx a lot jk
then what about Wuhan University , facaulty of medicine …. Is this uni good campare to (unpad) indonesia … despite it is nt yet recognise by m’sia government ???
SINGAPORE MEDICAL COUNCIL
LIST OF REGISTRABLE BASIC MEDICAL QUALIFICATIONS
Country: People’s Republic of China
7. School of Medicine , Wuhan University
Master of Medicine, Doctor of Medicine
Why is the recognized title is Master of medicine or doctor of medicine ?
Is master of medicine from china comparable with malaysian master ( of, for example , (internal ) ) medicine ?
Is master of medicine / doctor of medicine from China med school equivalent to MBBS ?
Is it true that in China med school year 1-2 students learn physics, chemistry, biology, thenn from year 3 onwards they will learn medicine ?
Thanks
With so many recognised universities, both locally and overseas (>300 actually), I cannot understand why any one will still want to go to an unrecognised university.
actually i wanted to go to uni padjajaran … bt i discover wuhan university was recognise by singapore medical council n wil be recognise by malaysia medical council … so is tis uni good ???
If you eventually intend to work in Singapore, then by all means go to Wuhan. It is not recognised in Malaysia, and it would be dangerous to assume it will be in future, and go there on that basis.
The main problem with the med schools you mentioned is that they are conducted not in English, and you will eventually work in an English based environment (Spore and Msia). Medicine is a profession where effective and clear communication is vital. There are so many other similar or better med schools in English, why bother with indonesia and China?
Sir, just wanted to find out if there is much difference between doing the manipal full programme at kasturba medical college and twinning with melaka? and with the saturation of doctors now can i still get a houseman place if i do the fully overseas programme. Im a malaysian.
There are a few differences between KMC and MMMC, in various aspects.
1. Curriculum – KMC strictly follows the Indian curriculum which is under regulation of MCI, while MMMC has much been influenced by the Malaysian curriculum. For eg, Clinical rotations in hospital start in the 3rd semester in KMC, along with other second year subjects like patho, pharm, microb, and forensic. And the length of the course is 4.5 years + 1 year of compulsory internship in India.
2. Entrance requirement – KMC is harder to get in than MMMC, at least for Malaysians. When I applied 7 years ago, the minimum entry requirement as stated on the website was 50% for all the subjects, but due to the limited places for foreigners, the requirement was actually much higher than that. My friend who scored 3As in A levels was offered a place in KMC Mangalore, instead of KMC Manipal (which is more highly sought after). So I would assume that you need 4 As to get a seat in KMC Manipal. However, the requirements for NRI are lower, some of them applied with US grade 12 or canadian high school results, and this is clearly reflected by their overall poorer performance in college.
3. Tuition fees – This would be an important factor for consideration as the fees in KMC are much higher than that of MMMC. KMC charges around USD170k this year if I am not mistaken. This is for the 4.5 years course. You get a stipend of Rs15k/month during internship.
4. Faculty – KMC has better faculty I would say. There are quite a number of experienced staff in each department. The problem of lack of teaching staff as faced by some newly established med schools in Malaysia is definitely not seen. Imagine you have 10 units in Medicine department, with at least 4-5 staff in each unit.
These are the important points to be considered when you choose a med school. Another major issue is the recognition of the college. KMC is not recognized in Singapore (it was recognized for only a very short period of time few years back, after which the recognition was withdrawn. The deleted column is still there on SMC website). Recognition in Malaysia should not be a problem as there are quite a number of JPA scholars.